Electric potential constant within a conductor?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential within conductors and the behavior of electric fields in relation to coaxial cables. Participants are exploring the implications of a constant electric potential inside a conductor, despite the electric field being zero, and questioning how this relates to potential outside a coaxial cable.

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  • Participants are examining the relationship between electric potential and electric field, particularly questioning how a constant potential can exist when the electric field is zero. There is also inquiry into the potential outside a coaxial cable, with some participants expressing uncertainty about whether it remains non-zero.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the integral of the electric field and its implications for potential, while others are still grappling with the concept of non-zero potential inside a conductor and the conditions outside a coaxial cable.

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Participants are working within the framework of electrostatics and are considering specific setups, such as coaxial cables and conducting plates connected to a battery. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and implications of potential differences in these contexts.

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1. Electric potential inside a conductor / outside a coaxial cable

Electric Potential inside a conductor(spherical) is a constant, although electric field is zero. How does that make sense given:
Given V=- \int E \cdot dl?
The integral should be 0. Even if you consider constants of integration, shouldn't they drop off because the integral is from the radius to 0?

Given that potential is non-zero inside a conductor, does the same hold true outside a coaxial cable? A Gaussian surface around the cable shows that the electric field outside the cable is 0. Do we have the same case where the potential is non-zero outside of the cable?

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V=- \int E \cdot dl

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The problem statement is my attempt at the solution. More of a lack of confusion than an actual problem.

Edit:
To clarify, this makes sense in reverse: E = del(V). Derivative of a constant is 0. How did that constant get there in the first place though?
 
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That integral is certainly 0 within the conductor. With the limits of integration:

V_2-V_1=\int__1^2 \vec{E}dl=0

Obviously it's true since E is 0 inside the conductor...therefore the potential must be constant inside.

I guess I don't quite get what the problem is.
 
The issue is that I don't see why it's non-zero inside. More importantly, I can't decide on whether or not it's 0 outside a coaxial cable.
 
What's non-0 inside? The electric field is definitely 0 inside a conductor (for electro-statics anyways).

How is your coaxial cable set up? Current moving in one direction inside and current moving in the opposite direction outside?
 
Consider two thick conducting plates connected to a battery so they have distinct constant potentials. If one is at potential zero the other is certainly not zero.

The potential equation you've given is more properly written:
\Delta V = V_2 - V_1 = -\int_{p_1}^{p_2} E\cdot dl
In short it defines a potential difference.
 

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