Electric potential equals the negative area under the graph

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential and its relationship to the electric field, specifically addressing why the potential difference is defined as the negative of the area under the graph of electric field versus distance. Participants explore definitions, implications, and examples related to this relationship.

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  • One participant questions why the potential difference is defined as the negative of the area under the E vs distance graph, expressing confusion about the negative sign and the relationship between initial and final potential.
  • Another participant explains that potential is defined as the negative of the work done by a field, providing an example of a charged object being accelerated in a vacuum to illustrate the conservation of energy.
  • A repeated question from a participant reiterates their confusion regarding the negative sign in the definition of potential difference and its implications for calculating potential differences.
  • A later reply attempts to clarify that the negative sign arises from the transformation of potential energy into kinetic energy, referencing the conservation of energy principle and the relationship between force and work.

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Participants express confusion and differing interpretations regarding the definition of potential difference and the role of the negative sign, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the interpretation of the negative sign in the context of potential difference, and there are unresolved questions about the definitions and relationships involved.

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When taking about potential and electric field, potential difference is equal to the negative of the area under the graph of E vs distance? why is that. My book defines it as the negative integral of Force times ds or V(intitial) - area under the curve. I don't understand why it's negative. I see it's the initial minus the entire are which would give me a negative potential difference, but why isn't it the final minus initial?
 
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It's by definition, potential is defined to be the negative of the work done by a field. It makes sense when you consider situations where total energy = potential energy + kinetic energy, such as an object being accelerated by a field (with no losses). For example, a positively charged object being accelerated from the positive plate of a capacitor to the negative plate in a vacuum (no drag); as the object accelerates away from the positive plate, it's kinetic energy increases and it's potential energy decreases, and total energy remains constant.
 
polaris90 said:
When taking about potential and electric field, potential difference is equal to the negative of the area under the graph of E vs distance? why is that. My book defines it as the negative integral of Force times ds or V(intitial) - area under the curve. I don't understand why it's negative. I see it's the initial minus the entire are which would give me a negative potential difference, but why isn't it the final minus initial?

The negetive is result from:
When a force take work,it transform the particular energy(such as electric inertial energy) into kinetic energy ,accoding to the conservation of energy, the particular energy is descreased.So f*s=-ΔE,so
ΔE=-∫f*s.
 
thanks everyone
 

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