Electric potential linear charge

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential V due to a uniformly distributed linear charge along a straight line of length a, with the origin set at the center of the charge. The original poster attempts to derive V by integration but realizes their solution only applies to a specific point along the x-axis, while the textbook provides a more general expression for V applicable to any point in space.

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  • Participants discuss the need to generalize the potential V for any point in three-dimensional space, questioning the original poster's setup and the variables used in the textbook's solution. Suggestions include using a more generic form for electric potential and considering the coordinates of the line of charge.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem more generally. There is recognition of the need to adapt the integral to account for the three-dimensional nature of the problem, and some clarity is emerging regarding the relationship between the variables in the textbook's solution and the original poster's work.

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Participants note the original poster's confusion regarding the variables r and z in the textbook's solution, as well as the absence of a visual representation of the setup, which may hinder understanding.

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Homework Statement


A charge Q is uniformly distributed along a straight line of length a. Calculate V by integration, choosing the origin of the coordinates as the center of the charge.
Next, expand this value of V up to terms in 1/r^2

Homework Equations


V = \frac{\lambda}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r}

The Attempt at a Solution


I let the line of charge sit along the z-axis, with its center at z=0, in the z-x plane
I know the charge density \lambda=\frac{Q}{a}

V = \frac{Q}{4\pi a \epsilon_0} \int_{-a/2}^{a/2} \frac{1}{\sqrt{z^2 + x^2}} \, dz

Solving the integral, this gives me the solution V = \frac{Q}{4\pi a \epsilon_0} \ln \frac{\sqrt{x^2 + \frac{a^2}{4}}+ \frac{a}{2}}{\sqrt{x^2 + \frac{a^2}{4}}- \frac{a}{2}}

However, this is not the right answer. My book says the answer is V = \frac{Q}{4\pi a \epsilon_0} \ln \frac{\sqrt{r^2 - az + \frac{a^2}{4}}+ \frac{a}{2} -z}{\sqrt{r^2 + az + \frac{a^2}{4}}- \frac{a}{2} -z}So, now I realize I solved for the potential only straight above the center point of the line, on the x-axis... So, I'm guessing my book wants a solution for the potential anywhere, and that is why their answer looks more complicated, with more variables...

So, I'm having trouble generalizing my V formula to work for any point around the line of charge. I know I need to change \frac{1}{\sqrt{z^2 + x^2}}, but I'm not sure how exactly to change it..

Also, I'm not sure what r and z correspond to in the book's solution - I'm not even sure how they set up their axis (no picture)
 
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You are correct in your assumptions, but you do need to find V for every point on the 3D plane.

Try using the generic form for electric potential where you would replace 1/√z2 + x2
with 1/√(x - x')2 + (y - y')2 + (z - z')2

and think about which values would be zeroed due to the location of the rod.
 
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Make7UpYours said:
You are correct in your assumptions, but you do need to find V for every point on the 3D plane.

Try using the generic form for electric potential where you would replace 1/√z2 + x2
with 1/√(x - x')2 + (y - y')2 + (z - z')2

and think about which values would be zeroed due to the location of the rod.

Yes I'm glad to see that suggestion, as it was something i was considering this morning. Because the line of charge is on the z-axis, x'=y'=0. So I just need to replace \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 + z^2}} with \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 +y^2 + (z-z')^2}} and solve this integral with dz'

Then I suppose the book just replaced \sqrt{x^2 + y^2 + z^2} with \sqrt{r^2} in the answer?
 
Yes, that is correct about √r2
 

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