Electric Potential of a Charged Disk

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The discussion revolves around the electric potential of a charged disk, specifically at points along the positive x-axis. Participants explore the concept of electric potential in relation to a reference point, particularly questioning whether infinity serves as the appropriate reference for a disk, similar to a point charge.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their process of calculating the electric potential from a charged disk and expresses uncertainty about the reference point for potential.
  • Another participant points out that the assumption of potential at infinity being zero is critical in the analysis.
  • It is noted that as the distance x becomes much larger than the radius r of the disk, the disk behaves similarly to a point charge, suggesting that the limit should align with that of a point charge.
  • A participant reflects on their misunderstanding of limits and acknowledges a potential error in their reasoning regarding the reference point for electric potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using infinity as a reference point for the electric potential of a disk. There is no consensus on the implications of this choice or the correctness of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the mathematical treatment of limits and the physical interpretation of electric potential, indicating that assumptions about reference points and the behavior of the disk at large distances may not be fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in electromagnetism, particularly those exploring concepts of electric potential and the implications of reference points in electrostatic calculations.

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I was working on E&M I homework with my friend, and the final question was to find the electric potential at any point on the positive x-axis of a charged disk (where the x-axis is perpendicular to the centre of the disk) We solved this easily enough, starting with a point charge and integrating the electric potential in steps. We got to the end and had a formula for the electric potential at point x (it was the correct answer). Thing is, we know that potential is always in reference to some 'zero' point (infinity in the case of a point charge), so we decided to figure out if that point was infinity for a disk as well, and if not, what it would be. I worked on that for a while and came out with something... but neither of us is really sure about how to interpret it. I'm still in first year so I'm very inexperienced with coming up with this sort of thing on my own and I apologize for any "bad" methods I used. I fully expect to have messed something up, so please tell me what I've done wrong. If I managed to do everything right, my questions are at the end of the pdf that I've attached (I was having trouble with latex, so I just scanned some notes that I made about this)

Help is greatly appreciated. Sorry if anything is unclear.
 

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I always get a bit uneasy when dealing with infinities. But I see 2 things in your analysis:

1. The very first thing you assume in your analysis (in taking the electric potential due to a point charge) is that the potential at infinity is zero.

2. As x -> infinity, x >> r and so Sqrt[x^2+r^2] is approximately Sqrt[x^2] or just x. So in your equation Vx=q/(2*Pi*r^2)*(Sqrt[x^2+r^2] -x), the (Sqrt[x^2+r^2] -x) could be said to approach zero. Maybe that's not technically mathematically correct, but physically that's what has to happen.
 
One thing to note is that as x becomes >> r, the disk approximates a point charge with respect to the distance x. The limit with a finite r and as x -> ∞ should be the same as a point charge.
 
timthereaper said:
I always get a bit uneasy when dealing with infinities. But I see 2 things in your analysis:

1. The very first thing you assume in your analysis (in taking the electric potential due to a point charge) is that the potential at infinity is zero.

2. As x -> infinity, x >> r and so Sqrt[x^2+r^2] is approximately Sqrt[x^2] or just x. So in your equation Vx=q/(2*Pi*r^2)*(Sqrt[x^2+r^2] -x), the (Sqrt[x^2+r^2] -x) could be said to approach zero. Maybe that's not technically mathematically correct, but physically that's what has to happen.

Ah... so I just failed at limits. I guess I was looking for some sort of "constant divided by infinity" term rather than actually taking the limit properly. If having the reference point at infinity works, then I guess the rest of what I did is kind of pointless. I found that other x_0 but it's kind of a useless one because it's dependent on x. Well, thanks for showing me my error. I can't believe that neither my friend or me saw that.
 

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