Electric Potential vs Electric Field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between electric potential and electric field, particularly in the context of homework problems involving the addition and cancellation of components. Participants explore the implications of electric potential being a scalar quantity versus the vector nature of electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding when electric potential cancels out versus when it sums up, referencing specific homework questions.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no "y component" of electric potential since it is a scalar, suggesting that potentials should be added or integrated from each source point.
  • Some participants question the idea of disregarding the 'y' component, indicating a potential misunderstanding of how scalar quantities operate.
  • A later reply emphasizes that there is no "y component" to electric potential, reiterating its scalar nature.
  • There is a suggestion that the discussion is related to a homework problem, leading to a recommendation to move it to a homework forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that electric potential is a scalar quantity, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of this for specific problems, particularly in how components are treated in calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in understanding the treatment of scalar versus vector quantities in physics problems, particularly in the context of electric potential and electric fields. There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of these concepts to specific homework questions.

Sergio
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I've read that in an electric field due to it being a vector if its mirrored symmetrically the components cancel out. However, the electric potential is a scalar so the components are added not canceled out. This is consistent with one question in my physics H.W., but not for another question. So I'm very confused as to when electric potential cancels out and when it sums up.

The question where it is consistent that the electric potential adds up is # 25.47 here:
http://web.unbc.ca/~hussein/Phys_111_Winter_2005/Selected_Ch25.pdf

However for the following question the y components cancels out according to the answer.

Q.) A uniformly charged insulating rod of length 14.0 cm is bent into the shape of a semicircle as shown in Figure P25.44. The rod has a total charge of 27.50 mC. Find the electric potential at O, the center of the semicircle.

This is figure 25.44 http://www.webassign.net/serpop/p19-21.gif
 
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There is no "y component" of the potential since it's a scalar. You just add together or integrate the potential from each source point.
 
Khashishi said:
There is no "y component" of the potential since it's a scalar. You just add together or integrate the potential from each source point.

So you always completely disregard 'y' ? Seems wrong.
 
Sergio said:
So you always completely disregard 'y' ? Seems wrong.
No, there is no "y component" to disregard, because there is no "y component" to start with. The potential is a scalar, not a vector with x and y components.

Anyway, this a homework-type problem, so it will have to be posted in the homework forum, with an attempt at a solution.

Thread closed.
 

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