Electric Signal Speed in Copper & Fiber Optic Cables

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The discussion revolves around the speed of electrical signals in copper and fiber optic cables, exploring theoretical and conceptual aspects of signal propagation in different mediums.

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  • One participant inquires about the speed of electrical signals in copper and fiber optic cables, indicating a lack of familiarity with the topic.
  • Another participant states that in fiber optics, the signal travels at about 2/3 the speed of light in air, while suggesting that the speed in electrical wires is comparable.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the speed of electricity in wires, noting that electrons, due to their mass, cannot travel at the speed of light. They introduce the concept of "holes" in atoms moving faster than electrons, proposing that while electrons move slowly, the holes can travel at light speed.
  • Another analogy is presented comparing electricity to a conga line, where the signal moves faster than the individual carriers due to the push from one to another.
  • A later reply emphasizes the distinction between the speed of electrons and the speed of signals in wires, providing a formula for signal velocity that relates to the speed of light, referencing the permeability and permittivity of free space.

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The discussion features multiple competing views regarding the nature of signal speed in electrical wires and fiber optics, with no consensus reached on the interpretations of these speeds or the underlying mechanisms.

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Participants express various assumptions about the behavior of electrons and holes, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of signal speed in different materials.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring concepts of electrical signal propagation, those studying physics or electrical engineering, and newcomers seeking clarification on the behavior of signals in different mediums.

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Can anyone tell me at what speed an electrical signal travels through copper wire?

How about fibre optic cable? (I'm REALLY new here).

Thanks.
 
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In fiber optics the signal has the speed of light in glass. That is about 2/3 of the light speed in air. For electrical wires it's comparable.
 
I have always had an issue with the speed of electricity in a wire.
As an electron has mass (although extremely small) it can not travel at the speed of light (einsteins relativity).
But, a lot of physics teachings have said that conventional electricity is the movement of holes in the atoms not the movement of the electrons.
This means that, altough an electron can jump from one atom to the next slowly, the hole will travel at a very fast rate in the opposite direction.
For example, if a wire has ten atoms in it's length. The electron that enters the wire will take ten hops to exit the wire. But the hole that allows the movement of the electrons will travels from one end to the other ten times in the same period. As the holes have no mass, they can travel at the speed of light.
 
Electricity is a conga line. Let's say that the dancers in a conga line begin by standing still. The individual dancers in the line can't move very fast, but, if the dancer at the back pushes the person in front of him, and that person pushes the person in front of him, and so on, the person in the front of the line will begin moving in next to no time. The signal to begin moving can move much faster than the individual carriers.
 
tmd63 said:
I have always had an issue with the speed of electricity in a wire.
As an electron has mass (although extremely small) it can not travel at the speed of light (einsteins relativity)..
You need to differentiate between the speed of electrons and the speed of signals in wires. If you have two parallel wires with a signal traveling in (actually between) them, the signal velocity is

v = 1/sqrt(μ0ε0)

where μ0 and ε0 are the permeability and permittivity of free space. This is exactly the definition of the speed of light.

Bob S
 

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