Electrical breakdown in air in the presence of a single charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a single electric charge of 350 microcoulombs in the presence of air and in a vacuum, particularly focusing on the implications of electric breakdown in air and the resulting phenomena, such as the potential for light emission or plasma formation. The scope includes theoretical considerations and exploratory reasoning regarding electric fields and charge behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that an electric charge of 350 microcoulombs in space generates an electric field exceeding 3,000,000 volts/meter, questioning the outcome if there is no discharge path.
  • Another participant distinguishes between the scenarios of the charge being in air versus in space, suggesting that in space, the charge would expand into a volume rather than remain a point charge.
  • A participant queries whether a spark would appear given the electric field exceeds the breakdown of air.
  • One response indicates that the establishment of the charge's position affects whether a spark occurs, suggesting that a momentary ball of plasma may form and cool, with stripped air molecules remaining mixed with electrons.
  • A later reply reiterates that in a vacuum, the charge remains stable without light emission due to the absence of a medium for breakdown or discharge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the charge in air versus in space, with no consensus on whether a spark would appear or the exact nature of the phenomena resulting from the charge's presence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which the charge exists, such as the medium (air vs. vacuum) and the implications of electric field strength relative to breakdown thresholds. The potential for plasma formation and the stability of the charge are also points of contention.

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Suppose there is an electric charge of 350 micro coulombs in space. The electric field at a distance of less than one meter will be more than 3,000,000 volts/meter considering that this field is greater than the electric breakdown of air and the charge has no place to discharge, what happens? Will the electric charge be light?
 
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Is it in air, or is it in space?
If it is in space, the electrons will repel, becoming an expanding volume of charge, not a point.
If it is in air, the molecules of air will be repelled to achieve the same, taking slightly longer.
 
Given that the electric field is greater than the breakdown of air, will no spark appear?
 
abdossamad2003 said:
Given that the electric field is greater than the breakdown of air, will no spark appear?
That will depend on how the hypothetical single point of charge was established.

There will be a momentary ball of plasma that will expand. The plasma will cool as the initial energy is radiated. Since air molecules stripped of electrons are positive, they will remain mixed with the negative electron cloud. That may remain stable during the cooling period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
 
abdossamad2003 said:
Suppose there is an electric charge of 350 micro coulombs in space. The electric field at a distance of less than one meter will be more than 3,000,000 volts/meter considering that this field is greater than the electric breakdown of air and the charge has no place to discharge, what happens? Will the electric charge be light?
In a vacuum, an electric charge of 350 microcoulombs creates a strong electric field, but without a medium like air, there's no breakdown or discharge path. Therefore, the charge remains stable, and no light emission occurs.
 

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