Electrical current and electrons

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The discussion revolves around the flow of electrical current and the behavior of electrons in relation to electric potential and potential energy. Participants explore the definitions of potential, the historical context of charge designation, and the implications for understanding current flow.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electrons flow from negative to positive, yet question why this contradicts the notion that everything moves from higher potential to lower potential.
  • Others clarify that potential differs from potential energy, noting that positive charges move from high to low potential while negative charges move from low to high potential.
  • A participant emphasizes that the definitions of "negative" and "positive" are historically arbitrary and could have been reversed without changing the underlying physics.
  • Another participant suggests that if the historical designation of charges had been different, the confusion regarding current flow might not exist, but the fundamental principles would still apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of charge designation and the movement of charges in relation to potential. There is no consensus on how these concepts should be reconciled.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of electric potential and potential energy, as well as the historical context of charge assignment, which may influence participants' interpretations.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics, particularly those exploring concepts of electric charge, potential, and current flow.

Elsa1234
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Electrons flow from negative to positive. But everything in nature moves from higher potential to lower potential, i.e the charges should move from positive to negative but they don't?
 
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Potential is different from potential energy. To get the potential energy, you have to multiply the potential by the charge. Positive charges tend to move from high to low potential, but negative charges tend to move from low to high. Also, even regarding potential energy, nothing says that objects have to move toward lower potential energies. If I throw a rock upward, it moves to higher gravitational potential energies (at least for a bit).
 
Elsa1234 said:
Electrons flow from negative to positive. But everything in nature moves from higher potential to lower potential, i.e the charges should move from positive to negative but they don't?
Look up again the definition of potential. You will see that is defined by using a positive charge as probe. So "low" and "high" potential according to standard definition are valid for a positive charge. If we use a negative charge, the low and high will change places. But rather than doing this re-definition we say that negative charges move from low to high potential.
 
Be aware that "negative" and "positive" definitions are a historical accident. They could just as well have been the other way around. All physics says is they are opposite.
 
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Geofleur said:
objects have to move toward lower potential energies.
Quite true. Electrons 'fall down' to the positive terminal (opposite sign) and their potential energy reduces. If, originally, early electrical Science had chosen a different sign for the charges, when electrons were found. they would have been given a Positive charge and this particular problem would not have presented itself to students. OTOH, the important principle that's involved, could have passed them by without them noticing.
 
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Thank You , It's quite clear now!
 

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