Electrical engineering and Fourier series

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The discussion revolves around the application of Fourier series in analyzing an RCL circuit with a periodic square function as the electromotive force (EMF). The original poster seeks clarification on the relationship between the current and the EMF, specifically why the current can be expressed in terms of the imaginary part of a complex Fourier series similar to the EMF.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between voltage and current in a circuit, questioning the implications of expressing current in terms of the imaginary part of a complex function. There is also discussion about the meaning of the prime notation in the context of complex functions and the implications of impedance in circuits with DC current.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the relationship between voltage and current, suggesting that they may be scalar multiples in a fixed circuit. Others have raised questions about the meaning of the prime notation and the concept of impedance in the context of DC circuits, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of Fourier series in electrical engineering, particularly in relation to RCL circuits and the behavior of capacitors under DC conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for confusion regarding definitions and assumptions in the problem setup.

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Hi all.

I have used Fourier series a lot in my maths study, and now I am about to use it when analyzing electrical circuits. In my notes from a lecture, I wrote down an example done by the professor. We are looking at a RCL-circuit with an applied EMF given by the periodic square function, which is ε0 from 0 to T/2 and -ε0 from T/2 to T. And from this it is just periodic. We wish to find the current.

Now we have found the complex Fourier series for the electromotive force, and we are able to write it as:

ε(t) = -Im[ε'(t)],

where Im[] is the imaginary part and ε' is some complex Fourier series. He then says that "Hence we can write I(t) = -Im[I'(t)]", and this is where I get confused. Why is it that we know that I(t) = -Im[I'(t)], just because ε(t) = -Im[ε'(t)]?I hope you guys can help me. I've thought about this most of the weekend, and the notes are very poor. Unfortunately Google doesn't help me either.

Thanks in advance.Niles.
 
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Niles said:
We are looking at a RCL-circuit with an applied EMF given by the periodic square function, which is ε0 from 0 to T/2 and -ε0 from T/2 to T. And from this it is just periodic. We wish to find the current.

Now we have found the complex Fourier series for the electromotive force, and we are able to write it as:

ε(t) = -Im[ε'(t)],

where Im[] is the imaginary part and ε' is some complex Fourier series. He then says that "Hence we can write I(t) = -Im[I'(t)]", and this is where I get confused. Why is it that we know that I(t) = -Im[I'(t)], just because ε(t) = -Im[ε'(t)]?

Hi Niles! :smile:

Not too sure about this :redface: … but nobody else has answered :rolleyes:

if ε is voltage, and I is current, for a fixed circuit, then aren't they scalar multiples of each other, so that any linear or conjugate equation for one will work for the other also? :smile:
 
Ahh, yeah. I guess you are right.. I never thought of it that way.

Thanks! :smile:
 
I am actually a bit confused what is the meaning of this prime. Are you trying to find the input current? So, the basic concept is the LTI system, which means that you can treat each frequency component in the Fourier series independently and then add them up in the end. Or, to put it another way, you can ignore the summation until you are done, and treat the series index as some arbitrary fixed integer.

Are you calculating the input current to the ciruit? In this case, you would calculate the input impedance of the circuit (or you may call it the equivalent impedance). One important point is that the impedance is complex valued, and the complex phase encodes the decay of the reactive elements (capacitors and inductors that store energy and then release it later). So, the time phase that you would see in a sine or cosine is traded for a complex phase in the phasors (the coefficients in the Fourier series). So, when you divide voltage by impedance, the extra complex phase encodes the time lag of the current w.r.t. the voltage.
 
The prime just means that it is the complex valued function, and taking the real part of it gives me the desired current (i.e. the current in the RCL-circuit).

By the way, when we look at a RCL-circuit with a DC-current, is it OK to say the the impedance of the capacitor - and hence the impedance of the whole circuit - is infinite?
 
Niles said:
... when we look at a RCL-circuit with a DC-current, is it OK to say the the impedance of the capacitor - and hence the impedance of the whole circuit - is infinite?
If the cap is in series with the rest of the circuit, then yes. In fact, this is a simple trick employed in, for example, RF systems, to set a DC bias independently of the RF signal. If you put a cap between two points in a circuit, then you can set the DC points independently on each side of the cap.
 

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