Electrictric field due to changing uniform magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric field lines resulting from a changing uniform magnetic field, particularly in the context of a magnetic field generated between two infinite plates with a surface current that varies linearly over time. Participants explore the application of Maxwell's equations to derive the electric field and consider different approaches to the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the electric field lines due to a changing magnetic field and presents the relevant equations from Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem may require a second equation, such as Gauss's law, to find a unique solution for the electric field components.
  • A different participant proposes using vector potential to define the electric field and presents three possible forms of the electric field that satisfy the equations derived from Maxwell's equations.
  • This participant expresses uncertainty about which of the three proposed electric field solutions to choose, indicating a need for boundary conditions that are not clearly defined in the problem.
  • One participant argues in favor of the third solution based on the symmetry of the problem, noting that it maintains rotational symmetry around the z-axis, unlike the first two solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which electric field solution is the most appropriate. There are competing views regarding the necessity of boundary conditions and the implications of symmetry in selecting a solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for boundary conditions to determine the correct electric field solution, which remains unspecified in the discussion. The dependence on the choice of current function and the implications of symmetry are also noted as factors influencing the problem.

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How does look like electric field lines due to change of the uniform magnetic field?
Suppose we have a magnetic field between two infunite plates with surface current $i$ which is lineary change with time. Then B-filel is (x - perpendicular to plates, z and y along plates)
\begin{equation}
B_z = \frac{4\pi}{c} i
\end{equation}
and from Maxwell equation curl E = -\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial B}{\partial t} we get:
\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial E_y}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial E_x}{\partial y} = -\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial B_z}{\partial t}
\end{equation}

How can I find E -field?
 
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Is this a homework problem? If so you should use the homework template.

If ##i## is changing linearly with time then how would you write the time dependent form of the current and hence the magnetic field?

Once you find ##B_{z}## you can find the right hand side of the Maxwell-Faraday equation. Since you have two unkowns, ##E_{y}## and ##E_{x}##, you need a second equation to guarantee a unique solution. This is Gauss's law
$$\nabla\cdot\mathbf{E}=0$$

With this it is fairly simple to guess the correct form of ##\mathbf{E}## which satisfies both equations.
 
Is this a homework problem? If so you should use the homework template.
No, it is not a homework. This problem is of interest to me.
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I don't think the \nabla\cdot E = 0 would be enaught. Let's solve this problem in a different way (usingvector potential). As we know, for a uniform magnetic field, 1) A_x=0, A_y = xB, A_z = 0 2) A_x=-yB, A_y = 0, A_z = 0 3) A_x=-\frac12 yB, A_y = \frac12 xB, A_z = 0.
and for defining electric field we should to use E = -\frac{1}{c} \frac{\partial A}{\partial t}.
Suppose i = kt. And B = \frac{4\pi}{c} kt.
Thus we have three possibilities:
1) E_x=0, E_y = x\frac{4\pi}{c} k, E_z = 0
2) E_x=-y\frac{4\pi}{c} k, E_y = 0, E_z = 0
3) E_x=-\frac12 y\frac{4\pi}{c} k, E_y = \frac12 x\frac{4\pi}{c} k, E_z = 0

All three fields satisfy equations \nabla\times E = -\frac{1}{c} \frac{\partial B}{\partial t} and \nabla\cdot E = 0.
But which one possibility of three I should to choose as solution? Obviously, I need something else. I need boundary conditions, which is not obvious for me in this case.
 
I see. I would choose the third solution because of the symmetry of the problem. If you rotate the system around the z axis the magnetic field looks the same and thus the electric field should also look the same. The first two solutions do not have this property. The third solution has rotational symmetry around the z axis.
 

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