Electrodynamics: quaternionic potential?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of unifying electromagnetic potentials, specifically the scalar potential \(\Phi\) and the vector potential \(\vec{A}\), into a quaternionic potential. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and mathematical formulations related to this concept, including the implications for Maxwell's equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that it is possible to construct an electromagnetic field using a complex field \(\vec{F} = \vec{E} + i \cdot \vec{B}\), suggesting a similar approach could be applied to the potentials.
  • Another participant agrees that combining the scalar and vector potentials into a quaternionic potential is feasible, although no detailed explanation is provided.
  • A different participant mentions that the potentials \(\varphi\) and \((A_x, A_y, A_z)\) can be represented as components of a single four-vector \(A_{\mu} = (\varphi, A_x, A_y, A_z)\), which is known as the four-potential.
  • This participant also states that Maxwell's equations can be expressed in terms of the four-potential under certain gauge choices, introducing the equation \(\partial^2 A_{\mu} = j_{\mu} / \epsilon_{0}\).
  • Another participant notes that in the context of complex quaternions, 4-vectors can be represented as sums of scalars and 3-vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the specifics of how to unify the potentials into a quaternionic form, as participants present differing views on the representation and implications of the potentials. Some agree on the feasibility of the quaternionic approach, while others emphasize the established four-vector formulation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various mathematical representations and assumptions about gauge choices, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon by all participants.

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Hi!

It's possible to construct a electromagnetic field, such that
[tex]\vec{F}:=\vec{E} + i\cdot \vec{B}[/tex].
Now the real part is the electric and the imaginary part is the magnetic field.
Then, for example, the maxwell equations take the form
[tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{F} = \rho, \qquad \rho \in \mathbb{R}[/tex]
and
[tex]\nabla\times \vec{F} - i \cdot \frac{\partial}{\partial t} \vec{F} = \vec{j}, \qquad \vec{j} \in \mathbb{R}^3[/tex]
So, it is possible to combine electric and magnetic field into one (complex) Field.

Now my question: Is something similar possible for the electromagnetic potentials [tex]\Phi[/tex] and [tex]\vec{A}[/tex]?
My idea is to combine the scalar and vector potential into one quaternionic potential.
(Each quaternion consists of an scalar part and an vector part, so somehow it seems possible...)
If possible: How do the field equations look like with such an potential?
Or is there a different possibility to "unify" these two potentials?

Thanks,

David
 
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the_viewer said:
Now my question: Is something similar possible for the electromagnetic potentials [tex]\Phi[/tex] and [tex]\vec{A}[/tex]?
My idea is to combine the scalar and vector potential into one quaternionic potential.

Yes.

See

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0817640258/?tag=pfamazon01-20.
 
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the_viewer said:
Hi!

Now my question: Is something similar possible for the electromagnetic potentials [tex]\Phi[/tex] and [tex]\vec{A}[/tex]?
My idea is to combine the scalar and vector potential into one quaternionic potential.
(Each quaternion consists of an scalar part and an vector part, so somehow it seems possible...)
If possible: How do the field equations look like with such an potential?
Or is there a different possibility to "unify" these two potentials?

Thanks,

David

The potentials [itex]\varphi[/itex] and [itex](A_x, A_y, A_z)[/itex] are actually the components of a single four-vector [itex]A_{\mu} = (\varphi, A_x, A_y, A_z)[/itex]. This is called the four-potential. In terms of the four potential, maxwell's equations can be written (with an appropriate choice of gauge) as

[tex]\partial^2 A_{\mu} = j_{\mu} / \epsilon_{0}[/tex]​

Where [itex]j_{\mu} = (\rho, j_x, j_y, j_z)[/itex] is the four-current.
 
dx said:
The potentials [itex]\varphi[/itex] and [itex](A_x, A_y, A_z)[/itex] are actually the components of a single four-vector [itex]A_{\mu} = (\varphi, A_x, A_y, A_z)[/itex].

And, in the system of complex quaternions, 4-vectors are expressed as (direct) sums of scalars plus 3-vectors.
 

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