Electromagnet directly connected to power supply not working

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functionality of an electromagnet constructed from copper wire and a metal screw, powered by a mobile phone charger. Participants explore the reasons for the electromagnet's failure to operate when directly connected to the power supply, while it worked when connected in series with a resistor. The conversation includes technical reasoning and troubleshooting related to electrical components and circuit behavior.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the electromagnet worked when connected in series with a 10 ohm resistor but failed when directly connected to the 5V supply.
  • Another participant suggests that the power supply may have short circuit protection that was triggered by the low resistance of the coil.
  • There is a hypothesis that the coil could have been damaged by high currents when connected directly to the power supply.
  • A participant mentions that the electromagnet worked again when reconnected with a 100 ohm resistor, raising questions about the power supply's overload protection.
  • One participant advises measuring the resistance of the electromagnet coil to calculate the current and check if it exceeds the power supply's ratings.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of ensuring the wire used is insulated to prevent short circuits.
  • There is a suggestion to check the amp rating of the charger and calculate the maximum resistance it can handle based on its output voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the failure of the electromagnet, with no consensus on the exact cause. Some propose that the power supply's protection mechanisms are at play, while others consider the possibility of damage to the coil or the need for proper resistance values.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the resistance of the wire and its impact on current flow, but there are unresolved details regarding the specific resistance measurements and the behavior of the power supply under different load conditions.

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Recently, I made an electromagnet by winding copper wire (length: 4m) around a metal screw. The power supply was from a mobile phone charger (5V).

Here's the issue:

When I connected the electromagnet in series with a 10 ohms resistor, it worked fine (attracted nearby metal objects), but when I connected it directly across the 5V supply, it ceased to function! Just to test the connecttions, I connected an LED in series and it also glowed; however, after removing the LED and then again directly connecting the winding with the power supply, the electromagnet didn't work (tried this a few times).

- What could the reason be?
- The energy of an inductor 0.5*LI^2, so increasing the current should have actually made the magnet stronger!?
 
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It's broken ... if you return to the original setup (series with 10Ohm resister) does it start attracting stuff again?
 
I'm guessing that your power supply has short circuit protection, and your coil of wire had a low enough resistance to trigger it.
 
either that or the coil was damaged by the large currents - or both.
 
It worked again after I re-connected it with the 100 ohms resistor. Did this several times.

My power supply was a 5V Nokia mobile phone charger. Do mobile phone chargers usually have overload/short-circuit protection?
 
QwertyXP said:
Do mobile phone chargers usually have overload/short-circuit protection?

Yes, to stop them self-destructing, and/or catching fire, when people abuse them.
 
If you measure the resistance of the EM Coil you should be able to calculate the current for the 5V supply and see if it exceeds the supply's ratings. If you do not have a meter - you can look up the wire's resistance per unit length - and calculate the resistance. -- in fact you could/should do both and compare the calculated with the measured results. Lastly - with a voltmeter - measure the voltage from the supply as you connect the EM Coil - does it go to Zero V?
 
QwertyXP said:
When I connected the electromagnet in series with a 10 ohms resistor, it worked fine...

QwertyXP said:
It worked again after I re-connected it with the 100 ohms resistor...

Was it 10 or 100 ohms?

Either way, you might try reducing the resistor to get more current, if you can. Just make sure the resistor's power rating is sufficient if you do this.
 
Check the amp rating (I) on the charger (likely 1A or 2A). At 5V output, the resistance R it could handle is 5/I (remember V=I*R ? ). Your wire must have a resistance R the same or greater than this. Your R will be r per foot * (length in feet). Ignore the inductance for this. Make sure the wire you use is insulated, otherwise you will short it out to itself when winding it and it will fail. Magnet wire is best, as it has very thin insulation, but normal wire will also work.
 

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