Electromagnetic Waves: Frequency Bands

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between frequency and data transfer rates in wireless communications, specifically focusing on electromagnetic waves and their measurement. Participants explore concepts related to carrier frequency, modulation, and methods for measuring wave properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that higher frequency waves (e.g., 2.4 GHz vs. 2.4 MHz) could lead to faster data transfer rates, suggesting a correlation between frequency and throughput.
  • Others mention the distinction between carrier frequency and modulation frequency, indicating that modulation technology may significantly influence data throughput, sometimes more than the carrier frequency itself.
  • One participant notes that bandwidth availability increases with carrier frequency, but this is limited by the need for other channels nearby.
  • Methods for measuring electromagnetic waves are discussed, including the use of frequency counters and traditional techniques involving standing waves and light globes to determine wavelength.
  • Some participants reference specific equipment, such as the HP5343A frequency counter, to illustrate practical measurement tools.
  • There is mention of various modulation protocols, such as FSK, and their implications for data transmission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between frequency and data throughput, with no consensus reached on the importance of carrier frequency versus modulation technology. The methods for measuring wave properties also show a range of approaches without a definitive agreement on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of wireless communication, including factors like modulation levels and interference, which may affect data transfer rates. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and conditions regarding the measurement of electromagnetic waves.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in wireless communications, physics, and engineering, particularly those exploring the technical aspects of electromagnetic waves and data transmission.

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Hello everyone. I'm studying wireless communications at school, and I have a question... If frequency is the amount in time that something oscillates, in this case, electrons, wouldn't a higher hertz, mean faster data transfer? A 2.4 MHZ way is must slower than a 2.4 Ghz wave correct? So wouldn't putting wireless communications like routers and Access Points, in the higher ranges mean better throughput?

Also how are these waves measured? I see many sites saying microwaves are very small, hence the name, but how does one go about measuring a wave's size?
 
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Newtons Apple said:
Hello everyone. I'm studying wireless communications at school, and I have a question... If frequency is the amount in time that something oscillates, in this case, electrons, wouldn't a higher hertz, mean faster data transfer? A 2.4 MHZ way is must slower than a 2.4 Ghz wave correct? So wouldn't putting wireless communications like routers and Access Points, in the higher ranges mean better throughput?

Also how are these waves measured? I see many sites saying microwaves are very small, hence the name, but how does one go about measuring a wave's size?

There is a difference between the 'carrier' frequency and the modulation frequency (the speed of changes to that carrier) but in general as the carrier frequency increases more bandwidth is available to be used for data (limited by the need for other channels near the carrier frequency). The actual throughput is a product of the modulation frequency and the bit efficiency rate per modulation frequency cycle. I've actually used leased satellite transponders to send Morse Code and sent live video using HF links below 10mhz so the actual modulation technology can sometimes be more important than the carrier frequency in determining data throughput.

Microwave band wavelengths are usually calculated with a simple formula:
http://www.photonics.byu.edu/fwnomograph.phtml
 
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The modulation can take numerous compression forms as well, for example in radios. You have numerous protocols. 1 main category of the digital side is the FSK frequency shift key modulation. This protocol has 4 modulation levels that ride the carrier frequency along with the privacy tones or color code in digital. The IP format also has a variety of protocols IPv4, IPv6 etc

In the ethernet however this corresponds to the number of bits per packet.
 
Also how are these waves measured? I see many sites saying microwaves are very small, hence the name, but how does one go about measuring a wave's size?

they (RF signals) are measured using frequency counters
My trusty ol' HP5343A that I have at home goes from 10 Hz up to 26GHz
its one of my treasured bits of test gear

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You can measure the wavelength with a light globe. The traditional way to measure wavelength was to couple the signal to two parallel bare wires. Keep the far end open circuit. The transmitted wave will reflect of the open end and travel back to the source. As it does, interference will take place between the two waves which will create standing waves on the two wire line. You can find the voltage nulls of the standing wave by sliding a light globe along touching the parallel wires and looking for the positions where there is no voltage to light the globe. Those points will be half a wavelength apart. The method works with a shorted line also.
 
yup the good old Lecher lines
gosh its been years since I have done wavelength measurement and calc's that way :)

Dave
 

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