Electromagnetics - parallel plate capacitor energy storage

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The discussion revolves around the energy storage in a parallel-plate capacitor, specifically addressing a homework problem involving calculations of stored energy at different voltage potentials and plate separations. Participants explore the implications of the voltage difference and the separation distances of the capacitor plates.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the stored energy for a parallel-plate capacitor using a voltage of 210V (10V + 200V) and separation of 2cm, expressing uncertainty about the interpretation of the voltage difference.
  • Another participant suggests that the voltage difference and applied potential should be treated separately, indicating that the calculations should be done for each voltage independently.
  • There is confusion regarding the terms d1 and d2, with participants questioning whether they refer to the positions of the plates or the separation distance between them.
  • Some participants propose that d1 and d2 represent the distances between the plates, while others express uncertainty about how to apply these distances in calculations.
  • A participant mentions a classmate's suggestion that the average separation distance could be used in calculations, raising questions about the validity of this approach.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for an illustration of the setup to clarify the problem further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the voltage difference or the definitions of d1 and d2. Multiple competing views remain regarding how to approach the calculations and the physical setup of the capacitor.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the definitions of d1 and d2, as well as the treatment of the voltage difference. The lack of an illustration or clear explanation from the professor contributes to the confusion.

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Electromagnetics -- parallel plate capacitor energy storage

Homework Statement


A parallel-plate capacitor 0.5m by 1.0m has a separation distance of 2cm and a voltage difference of 10V. Find the stored energy, assuming that ε=εo. If a 200-volt potential is applied in the capacitor, (a) determine the energy stored; (b) hold d1 at 2cm and the voltage difference at 200V, while increasing d2 to 2.2cm, determine the final stored energy.

Homework Equations


U=(1/2)(CV2)
C=εS/d

The Attempt at a Solution


(a)
C=((8.854x10-12)(0.5x1.0))/(0.02)
C=2.2135x10-10 F

U=(1/2)(2.2135x10-10)((10+200)2)
U=4.8808x10-6 J

(b)
C=((8.854x10-12)(0.5x1.0))/(0.022)
C=2.0123x10-10 F

U=(1/2)(2.0123x10-10)((10+200)2)
U=4.4371x10-6 J

I'm not sure what to do with the voltage difference of the capacitor, so I added it with the voltage potential applied.
 
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Yeah, I'm not sure what it means by the voltage difference of the capacitor and the applied potential. I would guess that they are two separate questions, i.e. work out the answer with 10V, then also work out the answer with 200V (in other words, don't add them together).

And for part b, what does d1 and d2 mean? Are they the positions of the two plates, or are they the positions of one of the plates in two different situations?
 


BruceW said:
And for part b, what does d1 and d2 mean? Are they the positions of the two plates, or are they the positions of one of the plates in two different situations?

d1 and d2 is the distance between the two plates of the capacitor.
 


So I saw my classmate's answer for this problem and for (b), d in C=εoS/d is d=(d1+d2)/2? Why is this so?
 


jegues said:
d1 and d2 is the distance between the two plates of the capacitor.
That still doesn't help my confusion. I'm not sure if d2-d1 is the separation of the plates, or if d2 is the separation of the plates. (because they start with a separation of 2cm, then d2 is increased to 2.2cm, so this seems like the separation is d2).
 


timeforplanb said:
So I saw my classmate's answer for this problem and for (b), d in C=εoS/d is d=(d1+d2)/2? Why is this so?

This would suggest that the separation between the plates is (d1+d2)/2 Which is odd. Do you have a picture of the set-up?
 


The thing is, our professor didn't give us an illustration or anything. One of my classmates just drew the set-up - two plates separated by d and that's it.

Sir, can I post another question here and my solution to it? It's about electromagnetics too.
 


If it's another question, you will probably get more replies by making a new thread for it. But you can post it here too if you'd like. About this question, I guess you are meant to use (d1+d2)/2 for the separation, and I would guess to use 200V, but it might be different depending on what your classmate had in mind. Anyway, It looks like you get the idea of how to do the calculation, but you were just unsure on the specific set-up in this case.
 


BruceW said:
That still doesn't help my confusion. I'm not sure if d2-d1 is the separation of the plates, or if d2 is the separation of the plates. (because they start with a separation of 2cm, then d2 is increased to 2.2cm, so this seems like the separation is d2).

The way I understood it was like so,

In part (a) find the stored energy for a voltage of 200V, and a distance d1 inbetween the plates.

In part (b) find the stored energy for a voltage of 200V, and a distance d2 inbetween the plates.
 

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