Electromagnetism: Finding Electric Field of non Uniform Charged Rod

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field at one end of a non-uniformly charged rod, where the charge density is proportional to the square of the distance from one end. The rod has a specified length and total charge, and participants are exploring the integration of charge density to find the electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to set up integrals to find the total charge and electric field, questioning the assumptions about charge density and the integration limits. There are discussions about the units of constants and whether to convert charge measurements.

Discussion Status

Participants have made progress in setting up the integrals and calculating values, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the application of formulas and the correct interpretation of units. Guidance has been offered on using Coulomb's law and integrating over the length of the rod.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the need to convert units and the implications of using different charge density definitions. Participants are also clarifying the relationship between electric field and force, which may influence their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Here is the question:

Thin rod AB has length l=100 cm and total charge q=37 nC that is distributed in such a way that its line density ? is proportional to the square of the distance from the end A, i.e. ?(x) =kx^2. Determine electric field E at the end A of the rod.

? stands for Lambda, sorry I do not understand TeX. I know that I need to integrate SOMETHING. How I do that I am not sure. Here are a couple of questions:

Homework Equations



- Can I assume that at 1m: (37nC)/1m=k(1^2) to find k? (or is k just 8.97E9?)
- Do I use the formula E=lambda/((2)(pi)(epsilson-nought)(x)) because this is a cylinder?

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I have so far:

solve for k at 1m and see that it equals 37 nC (should I just convert that to C?)

input lambda into the equation and do an integral so you get: k(x^2)/((2)(pi)(epsilon-nought)(x)) from A (0) to B (1 m). From this I got that the integral is k(x^2)/((4)(pi)(epsilon-nought)). This is where would end the problem and put in my values.

I really just want to understand the problem, obviously there is something I am not getting.

Thanks in advance.

PS I know there is this exact question (I did my research on this problem before I came here). I didn't understand the explanation there so please help!
 
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I did the math and I got that the electric field equals 9.99E2 (this is converting nC to C)

what would my units be? C/m?
 
Welcome to PF, olivia.belli3!

(Have a λ :wink:)

olivia.belli3 said:
- Can I assume that at 1m: (37nC)/1m=k(1^2) to find k? (or is k just 8.97E9?)

Let's start here and try to find k.

Your line density λ defines how much charge is between x and x+dx measured from point A, where dx is a very small distance.
That is, the charge between x and x+dx is:
[tex]\lambda(x)dx = k x^2 dx[/tex]

To find the total charge you need to calculate the integral of these charges over the length of the rod.
 
I set up my integral that q= the integral of kx^2 dx to get that q=(kx^3)/3
from A=0 to B=1.

this means that k=3Q or k=111 nC (Do I convert to C?)

Thanks for your reply :)
 
olivia.belli3 said:
I set up my integral that q= the integral of kx^2 dx to get that q=(kx^3)/3
from A=0 to B=1.

this means that k=3Q or k=111 nC (Do I convert to C?)

Thanks for your reply :)

Right! :smile:

No need to convert from nC to C unless you really want to. ;)
However, your unit is not quite right, since you have that the charge q (coulomb) equals your k times x3 divided by 3. So what should the unit of k be?


Now for the electric field at point A.
I'm not sure where you got your formula, but you should use the formula from Coulomb's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law" ).

That is:
[tex]dE = \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac {dQ} {r^2}[/tex]
where dE is the small contribution of a small charge [itex]dQ=\lambda(x)dx[/itex] at a distance r.

Can you apply this to your problem?
And integrate it over the length of the rod?
 
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well in that case my K= 111 nC/m^3.

So I have Q, of course I can integrate over the length of the rod using dr from 0 to 1, but I'm stuck. Where does k come in? I'm a little lost . I'm assuming that you meant to put QQ on the top instead of dQ? In that case I would taket he charge from A (which is zero) then take the charge from B which would lead me to to the answer, but how do you do that?
 
[tex]E_A = \int_0^{AB} dE = \int_0^{AB} \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac {\lambda(x)dx} {x^2}=\ ...[/tex]
 
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Okay, so I integrated that and put in that lambda=kx^2 (since we know K I am assuming this is okay). I'm assuming that AB=1m?

I got that the integral equals k(x)/((4)(pi)(epsilon-nought)) from 0 to AB which I would think would equal K/((4)(pi)(epsilon-nought)).
 
Good! :smile:
 
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so would my final answer be:

(111nC/m^3)(1m)/((4)(pi)(epsilon-nought)) to yield the electric field as: 9.99E10^11?
 
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sorry 9.98E10^11
 
  • #12
units would be nC/m^2
 
  • #13
olivia.belli3 said:
sorry 9.98E10^11

Yep! :smile:

(Now would be a good time to convert nC to C. :wink:)

olivia.belli3 said:
units would be nC/m^2

Uhh, no.
Did you take the unit of [itex]\epsilon_0[/itex] into account?

Btw, do you know how the electric field is related to the force it would exert on a charged object?
That might help you deduce the unit of the electric field.
 
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  • #14
Eek sorry! forgot about epsilon nought. The fnal units is N/C!

Thank you SO much!
I really appreciate you!
 
  • #15
Any time! :smile:
 

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