Electromagnets and pole shifting

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the principles of electromagnetism, specifically focusing on solenoid electromagnets and the behavior of magnetic fields in parallel wire configurations. Participants explore questions regarding the determination of magnetic poles in solenoids and the interaction of magnetic fields from closely placed wires carrying current.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what determines the poles of a solenoid electromagnet when direct current flows through it, asking if reversing the battery would reverse the poles.
  • Another participant suggests that the configuration of the coil winding affects the pole orientation and references the right-hand rule for clarification.
  • There is a discussion about the magnetic fields surrounding parallel wires carrying current, with one participant asserting that if the wires follow the same path, they behave like a single larger wire.
  • Another participant points out that if the currents in the two wires are in opposite directions, it would affect the resulting magnetic field configuration.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the return path of the current in the second wire, indicating a need for clarification on the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of magnetic fields in parallel wires and the implications of current direction, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the configuration of the wires and the nature of the magnetic fields are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of overlapping magnetic fields from multiple sources.

Mr_Bojingles
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I read a couple of tutorials on electromagnetism and solenoids but there's a good few questions left unanswered.

1.) What determines the poles of a solenoid electromagnet? Let's say I have direct current flowing from the left end of the coil to the right. Will the north pole automatically be on the left end of the solenoid or the other way around?

If I turn the battery around will that reverse the poles?

2.) Say I have a long circuit with the wires places side by side so the two wires run parallel. Let's say there's a heavy current running through the circuit.

Battery================Resistor

Since there's a small magnetic field surrounding the wire through the whole circuit and the wires are close enough that their magnetic fields overlap. Would it create 2 poles one at the battery end and one at the resistor end?
 
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This site might cover everything that you want to know. I didn't check it all out, but the beginning is good. Your 2-wire problem, as far as I know, isn't a problem at all. If they are following the same path, they essentially act as one larger wire. That's how stranded cables work.
http://library.thinkquest.org/13526/c3c.htm"
 
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1) Depends on which way the coil is wound.
Look up the right hand rule.

1A) Yes.

2) What does the field look like around a single wire?
Using the right rule, what is different about the field on wire A and the field on wire B.
What do you think happens when you overlap the two fields?
 
Danger said:
Your 2-wire problem, as far as I know, isn't a problem at all. If they are following the same path, they essentially act as one larger wire. That's how stranded cables work.
http://library.thinkquest.org/13526/c3c.htm"

The current will be going in one direction in one wire and the reverse direction in the other wire.
If the current was going the same direction in both wires then you would be correct.
 
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Ooops! Sorry, I misunderstood the question. I didn't realize that he meant that the second wire was the return path.:redface:
 

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