Electron band structure in a nucleus

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The discussion centers on the justification of viewing a nucleus as comprising N + Z protons and N electrons, which is deemed invalid. Key issues include the non-zero lepton number proposed for the nucleus, the misuse of "band structure" terminology, and historical problems with energy conservation in beta decay. Early models faced challenges such as accounting for overall spin and confining electrons within the nucleus, which were later resolved by the introduction of the neutrino, the neutron's discovery, and Fermi's beta decay theory. Current nuclear and particle physics data consistently support the standard model of nuclei containing protons and neutrons. The consensus affirms that the traditional model remains robust against experimental scrutiny.
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Consider a nucleus with N neutrons and Z protons. Can one justify it alternatively as a nucleus with N + Z protons and N electrons, the latter occupying orbitals either confined to the nucleus or following beta decay according to their electronic potential?
 
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The standard model of atoms is that they consist of a nucleus and electrons. Experiments all bear out this model. For example, the radius of the nucleus is very much smaller than the radius of an atom.
 
Loren Booda said:
Consider a nucleus with N neutrons and Z protons. Can one justify it alternatively as a nucleus with N + Z protons and N electrons, the latter occupying orbitals either confined to the nucleus or following beta decay according to their electronic potential?
No, this alternative view can not be justified. There are several problems with this. For instance, you have proposed a non-zero lepton number for the nucleus.

Besides, the term "band structure" is not used in the context of single-atom orbitals; but to describe the spectrum formed by the overlap of a macroscopic number of orbitals, arranged periodically.
 
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Loren Booda said:
Can one justify it alternatively as a nucleus with N + Z protons and N electrons,

This was in fact an early model of the nucleus, but it had serious problems with (a) the apparent lack of energy conservation in beta decay, (b) its inability to account for the overall spin of certain nuclei, and (c) the problem of how to confine electrons within a volume the size of the nucleus despite the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

These problems were resolved c. 1930 by (a) Pauli's "invention" of the neutrino, (b) the discovery of the neutron, and (c) Fermi's theory of beta decay as the conversion of a neutron into a proton, with the emission of a newly-created electron and (anti)neutrino.

And of course nowadays we have huge mountains of data from nuclear and particle physics experiments, all analyzed under the assumption that nuclei contain protons and neutrons, and producing consistent results.
 

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