Electron concentration with temperature change

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The discussion revolves around determining the temperature T from a complex equation related to electron concentration, specifically using the equation derived from ni² = NcNv(T/300)³ exp(-Eg/KT). Participants are exploring methods to simplify and solve for T, considering the implications of temperature on electron concentration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the difficulty of isolating T in the equation and consider using logarithmic transformations. There are mentions of trial and error and graphical methods as potential approaches to approximate T. Some participants question the appropriateness of constants used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and methods for approaching the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of logarithms and iterative methods, but no consensus on a definitive solution has been reached.

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There are mentions of specific constants, such as the Boltzmann constant, and the need for careful handling of logarithmic terms. Participants express challenges with the mathematical manipulation required to isolate T, indicating potential gaps in understanding or application of logarithmic properties.

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Homework Statement



trying to work out the answer for the temperature T from the equation...

(1012)2=(2.8*1019)(1.04*1019)(T/300)3exp(-1.12/KT)

Homework Equations



the equation was derived from ni2=NcNv(T/300)3exp(-Eg/KT)

The Attempt at a Solution



Only simplified the equation to \frac{10^{24}}{2.912*10^{38}}=\left(\frac{T}{300}\right)3 . exp\left(\frac{-1.12}{KT}\right)

can someone advice how to simplify this equation to solve for T?

Tried shifting (T/300)^3 over to the left side and then taking ln on both sides but could not solve the equation as I still ended up having trouble with grouping the T terms due to ln ...
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You can not express T with a closed formula in this case, but you can find its approximate value by trial and error, or with a graphical method.
I can not open your pdf file, so I do not see what you have done. I wonder if you used appropriate value for the Boltzmann constant, K. Eg is given certainly in electron volts, so you should use the value K=8.6173*10-5eV/K.
It might be a good method to take the logarithm of both sides, and arrange the equation so that T is on the left side and ln(T) and everythig else on the other. Than you start with T=300 K, insert it into the formula on the right side of the equation, and calculate the new T. Now repeat the procedure with this value. Try!


ehild
 
Yup got it. Thanks.

Seems like there isn't any easier ways. no?

Did take log on both sides to try making the equation easier to work with, but since trial and error is the way to solve this problem. I found it easier to just plug in no.s into \frac{10^{24}}{2.912*10^{38}} = \left(\frac{T}{300}\right)^3 . exp\left(\frac{-1.12}{KT}\right) and just work on T from here...
 
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Well, yes, you can try and try... But what about the iteration method I suggested?

If you simplify the numerical terms, take the logarithm, express T, you get something like the following:

<br /> T=\frac{12997 }{16.194+3\ln{T}}<br />

Starting with T=300, the next values are 390, 382, 382. Try, it is really fun :)

ehild
 
I could see your pdf file at last. Have you got problems with ln(T3)? You certainly remember that ln(a*b)=ln(a)+ln(b). T3 is just T*T*T, so what about replacing ln(T3) with 3*ln(T)? :smile:

ehild
 
oh silly me... I was only thinking about addition and subtraction and did not think about shifting T over to the left side and shifting all the terms from left side to the right side of the equation as the denominator of -12997. I kept thinking goodness how to work this with ln|9.27*10^-8|-3ln|T|... and got myself stuck with ln|9.27*10^-8|-3ln|T|=(-1.12/KT)...:frown:
 

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