Electron diffraction experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electron diffraction experiment conducted on graphite, specifically focusing on the interpretation of the diffraction rings observed on the fluorescent screen and the application of Bragg's Law. Participants explore the relationship between the observed rings and the crystal planes within the graphite, addressing the complexities of identifying the order of diffraction and the orientations of the planes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the interpretation of the two rings observed in the electron diffraction experiment and questions how to apply Bragg's Law to these observations.
  • Another participant explains that the graphite contains many tiny crystals with randomly oriented planes, suggesting that only those oriented at specific angles to the beam will produce the diffraction rings.
  • Some participants propose that both rings correspond to the first diffraction order (n=1) but acknowledge that the rings arise from different sets of planes with varying spacings.
  • A participant questions why only two spacings (d1 and d2) are observed, suggesting that more orientations may be possible based on the crystal structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the two rings are produced by different sets of planes within the same crystal structure, but there is uncertainty regarding the identification of the diffraction order and the potential for additional orientations that could contribute to the diffraction pattern.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion about the limitations of the experiment in identifying all possible orientations and spacings of the crystal planes, as well as the implications of the observed diffraction rings.

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I realize this is a very basic question, but I've been thinking about this for a bit and can't seem to find an answer:

When I did the electron diffraction experiment on graphite, I saw 2 rings on the fluorescent screen. The description of these rings should be given to me by Bragg Law, namely ##2dsin(\frac{\theta}{2})=n\lambda##. I'm inclined to take ##n=1## for the first ring and ##n=2## for the second ring to the analogy of classical optics experiments but then I realize I'm not sure what I'm doing.

I don't know how the planes are oriented in the graphite plate, it could be possible that this second ring is just diffraction happening of a different set of planes and such that ##n=1## for the second ring as well. The other things I'm doubting about is that if I'd received only one ring, how could I tell which ##n## this ring corresponds to.

As you can see from this post I'm pretty confused. I need to understand this for the experiment but I don't really have the time right now to start learning the deep theory behind this phenomenon. I looked around online and all the descriptions are either to shallow or either to complicated. So I'd be very grateful if someone can read this and try to elaborate a little about these ##n##. Again I know the basic derivation of Bragg Law, but I have trouble with fully connecting this law to the rings I see.
 
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The area of the graphite that the beam passes through contains many many tiny crystals, with their planes oriented in random directions. Only those crystals whose planes are oriented at a certain angle to the beam can produce the diffraction that generates a particular ring. These crystals have different azimuthal orientations around the beam direction (if you know about spherical coordinates, think about the angles θ and φ), and this gives you the circular ring.
 
jtbell said:
The area of the graphite that the beam passes through contains many many tiny crystals, with their planes oriented in random directions. Only those crystals whose planes are oriented at a certain angle to the beam can produce the diffraction that generates a particular ring. These crystals have different azimuthal orientations around the beam direction (if you know about spherical coordinates, think about the angles θ and φ), and this gives you the circular ring.
This would mean that n=1 for the second ring as well right?
 
Yes. the two rings are produced by different sets of planes (in the same crystal structure) with different spacings. You're seeing the n=1 diffraction order in both cases.

A Google search on "electron diffraction crystal planes" turned up the following diagram. The red and blue lines show the relevant planes, with spacings d1 and d2.

dhKLG.png
 
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jtbell said:
Yes. the two rings are produced by different sets of planes (in the same crystal structure) with different spacings. You're seeing the n=1 diffraction order in both cases.

A Google search on "electron diffraction crystal planes" turned up the following diagram. The red and blue lines show the relevant planes, with spacings d1 and d2.

dhKLG.png

Thanks a lot for your time, it's getting more clear now. Do you mind if another question comes up over the coming days I'll just post it in reply?
 
jtbell said:
Yes. the two rings are produced by different sets of planes (in the same crystal structure) with different spacings. You're seeing the n=1 diffraction order in both cases.

Why do I only find d1 and d2 by doing this experiment? At first glance it seems to me that much mroe orientations are possible. One for example would be the distance between the planes. Just looking at the picture I can see two sets of plane that differ from d2 and d1 in distance.
 

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