Electron entering a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the motion of an electron entering a magnetic field, focusing on the forces acting on the electron and its trajectory within the field. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism and circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the components of velocity and the magnetic force acting on the electron. There are attempts to derive equations related to the motion and questions about the complexity of setting up a coordinate system for the circular path.

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Some participants suggest methods for visualizing the trajectory and calculating the arc length within the magnetic field. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in constructing the necessary geometric relationships, and while some guidance has been offered, not all participants feel confident in their understanding.

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There is mention of the speed of the electron and its implications for the radius of curvature, but specific values or additional information are not provided. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the best approach to take in solving the problem.

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At any instant in the circular region, let the horizontal and vertical components of velocity of electron be ##v_x## and ##v_y##. Let the origin be at the point from where the electron enters the magnetic field. Positive x-axis is in horizontal direction to left and positive y-axis in vertically upward direction.

The force acting on the electron is
F=q\vec{v}\times \vec{B}
F=q(v_x\hat{i}+v_y\hat{j}) \times (B\hat{-k})
\Rightarrow F=qv_yB\hat{i}+qv_xB\hat{j}

From the above equation, ##dv_x/dt=qv_yB## and ##dv_y/dt=qv_xB##
As ##v_x^2+v_y^2=v^2##, hence ##v_xdv_x=-v_ydv_y##. If I substitute for ##dv_x## and ##dv_y##, I end up proving ##1=1##. :confused:

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Since you are given the speed of the electron, you can find the radius of curvature of its path (and hence the equation of the circular path). Then you can find the length of the path inside the field and calculate the time taken to travel.
 
Sunil Simha said:
Since you are given the speed of the electron, you can find the radius of curvature of its path (and hence the equation of the circular path).

Do you want me to set up a coordinate system, make equation for the two circles and calculate the arc length? Wouldn't that be too dirty?

r'=\frac{mv}{eB}
##r'## is the radius of curvature for the electron's path.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Do you want me to set up a coordinate system, make equation for the two circles and calculate the arc length? Wouldn't that be too dirty?

Draw a sketch of the trajectory passing through the B-field region. Mark the center of the circular trajectory. See if you can construct some triangles that will allow you to find the angle (with vertex at the center of the trajectory) subtended by the arc of the trajectory inside the B-field region. You won't need to introduce a coordinate system or solve simultaneous equations.
 
TSny said:
Draw a sketch of the trajectory passing through the B-field region. Mark the center of the circular trajectory. See if you can construct some triangles that will allow you to find the angle (with vertex at the center of the trajectory) subtended by the arc of the trajectory inside the B-field region. You won't need to introduce a coordinate system or solve simultaneous equations.

I still have got no idea. :(
See attachment for the sketch of trajectory.
(The trajectory won't be a circular path outside the magnetic field.)
 

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You need angle CAB. Construct triangles AOC and AOB.
 
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... and consider what angle ACO is.
 
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TSny said:
You need angle CAB. Construct triangles AOC and AOB.

haruspex said:
... and consider what angle ACO is.

That was really obvious. Why I couldn't think of it. :P

Thank you both, I have got the right answer. :smile:
 

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