Electron trajectory in B field with random energy kick

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The discussion revolves around the trajectory of an electron in a magnetic field after it absorbs or emits a photon, specifically considering the implications of energy changes on its circular motion. The conversation explores classical interpretations of the electron's path and the effects of momentum changes in both scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes two potential trajectories for the electron after it absorbs a photon, proposing that the radius may either extend concentrically or be measured from the entrance of the magnetic field.
  • Another participant suggests that the collision with the photon results in a sharp bend in the electron's path, leading to a different circular path that intersects at the collision point.
  • A later reply clarifies that the photon is emitted from the electron, and posits that the electron's position and angle remain unchanged after emission, only its energy changes.
  • Another participant agrees that the change in momentum can be considered opposite to the electron's original momentum vector, indicating a sudden change in radius without a sharp bend.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the electron's trajectory after photon interaction, with no consensus reached on which model accurately describes the situation.

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The discussion involves assumptions about classical mechanics and does not delve into quantum mechanics, despite references to quantum effects. The implications of relativistic speeds and the nature of momentum changes are also noted but remain unresolved.

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So I wanted to get some second opinions on this situation I have thinking about.Lets say an electron enters, normally, a section of bfield that is perpendicular to its motion such that the electron will undergo circular motion. This is the simple part and is labeled as "E0" in the picture attached below (in both case A and B).

Lets say that at the midpoint of the electrons journey it absorbs a photon and now has a new energy of "E+" (as dipicted in the red in the picture below). Now, there are two options in my head for the trajectory:

A. The radius of the electron at the midpoint immediately increases to a larger radius. But the radius extends ALONG the original "E0" radius and the electron follows a trajectory that is somewhat concentric( http://www.powerframeworks.com/series/SG/034/sg022-and-sg034-differences.jpg ), but larger radius, with that of the "E0" trajectory at exactly the midpoint where the photon was absorbed.

B. The radius of the electron at the midpoint immediately increases to a larger radius. But the radius is measured with respect to the entrance of the bfield section just as the radius of the "E0" is measured, the only difference is that it is longer now.

So, which one is correct? Well, we know that the electrons trajectory should be continuous. Thereofre, the x position and the angle of the electron (x') should be continuous before and after the photon is absorbed; boundary conditions. It is in my opinion that this is only satisfied in case A with the concentric trajectories.

Any thoughts? Disagreements?
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first, since you posted in the classical physics section, I assume that you are actually not interested in all of the quantum weirdness and wave functions and uncertainty principle and so forth. You probably what to just consider it like a classical point particle.

Then, the collision with the photon causes a change in the electrons momentum, which means the path has a sharp bend in it. After this sharp bend, the electron travels on a completely different circular path than the one it was on previously. The circles must intersect at the point of the collision, but do not have to have the same center or radius or tangent.
 
HI thanks for the reply. Actually I guess I didn't clarify the situation to completeness.

The photon is actually emitted from the electron. The electron is considered ultrarelativistic so the change in momentum can be considered opposite of the electrons original momentum vector. Hence, my assumption that the electron's position and angle does not change after the emission of a photon, only its energy changes.

Any thoughts?
 
Also if you could refer me to some readings on the "quantum effects" of such a system I would be very interested on reading, thanks!
 
jasonpatel said:
the change in momentum can be considered opposite of the electrons original momentum vector.
OK, so no sharp bend. Just a sudden change in the radius. Both circles would be tangent to the momentum at emission.
 

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