Electrons and Consequences of Conservation Laws

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of charge conservation in electrical circuits, specifically in relation to Kirchhoff's Current Law. Participants explore the nature of electron flow in circuits, questioning whether the total number of electrons traversing a circuit remains constant and the relevance of this concept across different materials and circuit types.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if electronic charge is conserved, then the total number of electrons in a circuit should be constant.
  • Others argue that the definition of "traversing" a circuit is ambiguous and depends on the context, such as the type of circuit and frequency of operation.
  • It is noted that in typical materials, many electrons are bound and do not contribute to current flow.
  • One participant highlights that current is not solely constituted by electron flow, suggesting that this is true for metals but not universally applicable.
  • There is a distinction made between electron drift and current, emphasizing the need for clarity in discussions about electricity.
  • Another participant expresses a caution against focusing on electrons when discussing electricity, suggesting it may lead to confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of charge conservation and the role of electrons in different circuit contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions used, particularly regarding what constitutes "traversing" a circuit and the conditions under which charge conservation applies. The discussion also reflects varying assumptions about the nature of current in different materials.

nDever
Messages
76
Reaction score
1
Hi Guys,

I was wondering; if electronic charge is conserved by Kirchoff's Current Law, then does this mean that the total number of electrons traversing any given circuit at any time is constant?
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
How do you define "traversing any given circuit"?
The total number of charges in the whole circuit is constant, sure.
In typical materials, most of the electrons are bound and never contribute to current flows.
 
nDever said:
Hi Guys,

I was wondering; if electronic charge is conserved by Kirchoff's Current Law, then does this mean that the total number of electrons traversing any given circuit at any time is constant?
Why do you think current must be constituted only of electrons flow? That's correct for metals, but not correct always.
 
nDever said:
then does this mean that the total number of electrons traversing any given circuit at any time is constant?
A question well phrased is half answered.

mfb highlighted the ambiguity in your question

do you mean "traversing" a series circuit ? At what sort of frequency ?
by "constant" do you mean with respect to time, or the same in all parts of the circuit?

The answer to your question would be
"In a flashlight, yes.
In a transmission line, no."
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/ohmlaw.html#c3

and one needs to be constantly aware of difference between electron drift and current...
 
As usual, I feel I need to chip in here and discourage approaching 'electricity' in terms of electrons when it's not absolutely necessary. They seem to cause more confusion than they are worth - in this thread, as in many others.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: jim hardy

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
615
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
4K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
18
Views
6K