Electrons are not elementary particles?

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The discussion centers around the classification of electrons as elementary particles in light of recent experiments that have split electrons into quasiparticles. Participants explore the implications of this finding for the standard model of particle physics and the nature of quasiparticles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference an article stating that while electrons can be split into quasiparticles in certain conditions, isolated electrons remain fundamental particles according to the standard model.
  • Others argue that quasiparticles are emergent phenomena that arise from complex interactions in solids, rather than indicating that electrons themselves are not fundamental.
  • A participant suggests that the concept of quasiparticles relates more to the peculiarities of quantum mechanics than to the fundamental nature of electrons.
  • One participant draws an analogy comparing the splitting of an electron to splitting a person into their physical form and clothing, suggesting that the implications for the standard model are minimal.
  • A reference to a previous thread on quasiparticles is provided, indicating ongoing discussions about the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of splitting electrons into quasiparticles, with no consensus reached on whether this challenges the classification of electrons as fundamental particles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining particles in quantum mechanics and the role of emergent phenomena, but does not resolve the implications for the standard model or the nature of electrons.

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Nav said:
http://www.nature.com/news/not-quite-so-elementary-my-dear-electron-1.10471
Scientists have split an electron into 3 quasiparticles in the lab, why isn't this updated on the standard model?

It's says so right there in the second paragraph of your link:

Isolated electrons cannot be split into smaller components, earning them the designation of a fundamental particle.

See also, the definition of "quasi":

quasi- Being partly or almost: quasicrystalline

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/quasi-[/URL]

So these quasiparticles aren't actually 'real' particles in the standard model sense, but are emergent from the behaviour of electrons in solids or collections of atoms. There are a lot of quasiparticles - the notion of the 'phonon' is probably the most important/famous one - modes of vibration in the crystal lattice. [URL='[PLAIN]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasiparticles']https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasiparticles[/URL]
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ETA: wikipedia link [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiparticle[/URL]

[QUOTE]In physics, [B]quasiparticles[/B] and [B]collective excitations[/B] (which are closely related) are emergent phenomena that occur when a microscopically complicated system such as a solid behaves [I]as if[/I] it contained different weakly interacting particles in free space. For example, as an electron travels through a semiconductor, its motion is disturbed in a complex way by its interactions with all of the other electrons and nuclei; however it [I]approximately[/I] behaves like an electron with a [I]different mass[/I] traveling unperturbed through free space. This "electron" with a different mass is called an "electron quasiparticle".[1] In another example, the aggregate motion of electrons in the valence band of a semiconductor is the same as if the semiconductor contained instead positively charged quasiparticles called holes. Other quasiparticles or collective excitations include phonons (particles derived from the vibrations of atoms in a solid), plasmons (particles derived from plasma oscillations), and many others.[/QUOTE]

Think of them as convenient ways to deal with quantum many body dynamics.
 
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Well, these are called quasiparticles for a reason. This has more to do with the weirdness of the quantum world than the electron not being a fundamental particle. See this.
 
Nav said:
http://www.nature.com/news/not-quite-so-elementary-my-dear-electron-1.10471
Scientists have split an electron into 3 quasiparticles in the lab, why isn't this updated on the standard model?
To use an analogy from everyday life, this is not much different from spliting a man into a naked man and his clothes. The electron-experiment above has no more implications for the standard model than my man-experiment has for biology.
 
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