Electrons, Ionic Bonds: Hello Physics Forum - Q&A

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The discussion revolves around the movement of electrons during the formation of bonds between elements, specifically focusing on the terminology and concepts related to ionic and covalent bonding. Participants explore the nature of electron behavior in molecules and seek to clarify the underlying principles of bonding in chemistry and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a term for the movement of electrons between orbits when binding elements, expressing a limited understanding of related fields.
  • Another participant challenges the semi-classical picture of electron movement, suggesting that molecules have shared wave functions and introducing the term "orbital hybridization" as a potential search term.
  • Further discussion highlights that bonding can be classified as covalent or ionic, with a focus on the localization of electron wave functions in ionic bonds versus their distribution in covalent bonds.
  • Participants note the complexity of classifying bonds, emphasizing that covalent and ionic bonds exist on a spectrum rather than as distinct categories.
  • Examples such as H2 being perfectly covalent and H2O having a more polarized electron distribution are provided to illustrate the nuances in bonding types.
  • Discussion also touches on the behavior of electrons in extended structures like metals, where delocalization effects lead to the formation of continuous energy bands.
  • Participants mention specific compounds like NaCl and GaAs to illustrate the varying degrees of ionic and covalent character in bonding.

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Participants express differing views on the classification of bonding types and the behavior of electrons in various contexts. There is no consensus on a single definition or classification system, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the understanding of bonding concepts, particularly regarding the definitions and classifications of covalent and ionic bonds. Participants acknowledge the complexity and variability in bonding behavior across different substances.

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Hello Physics Forum, I have a quick question for the scientific community that I am unable to find online (likely because the term doesn't exist), but is there are term for the act of an electron moving from one orbit into another when binding two elements? Also I have a very minimal understanding of Chemistry, Physics, and Quantum Mechanics. What are some sources that I may find valuable in my search for further information in these fields?
 
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The semi-classical picture of an electron whizzing in a figure-8 shape around nuclei in a molecule is wrong.
What happens in a molecule like H2 is that the molecule has shared, molecule-wide wave functions. A search term that might help you is "(orbital) hybridization".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_hybridisation
 
Thank you M Quack! I appreciate your timely response I think this is the term I was looking for.
 
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M Quack said:
in a molecule like H2 is that the molecule has shared, molecule-wide wave functions.
That kind of bonding is often referred to as Covalent bonding. There are also bonds that are classified as Ionic and, using the same wave function description, I guess you could say that the valency electron wave function, rather than being spread around both atoms, becomes localised with the non metal atom and leaves the metal atom, forming two ions (approximately?).
In so called metallic bonding, the wave functions of the valence electrons occupy a region around many adjacent atoms. The electrons can be found anywhere in the metal.
As usual, it is risky to get too hung up on what to call things because there are situations which are less easy to classify in these simplistic ways. At least the wave function description is nice and 'fuzzy' which warns us to be careful with classification. The mechanical properties of solids reflects the kind of bonding involved.
 
sophiecentaur said:
That kind of bonding is often referred to as Covalent bonding. There are also bonds that are classified as Ionic and, using the same wave function description, I guess you could say that the valency electron wave function, rather than being spread around both atoms, becomes localised with the non metal atom and leaves the metal atom, forming two ions (approximately?).
In so called metallic bonding, the wave functions of the valence electrons occupy a region around many adjacent atoms. The electrons can be found anywhere in the metal.
As usual, it is risky to get too hung up on what to call things because there are situations which are less easy to classify in these simplistic ways. At least the wave function description is nice and 'fuzzy' which warns us to be careful with classification. The mechanical properties of solids reflects the kind of bonding involved.

Keep in mind that "covalent" and "ionic" are not black and white. Rather, there is a wide spectrum of gray between the extremes. H2 is completely symmetric, so one might call it perfectly covalent. H2O (water) for example is still covalent, but the electrons are much more on the oxygen than on the hydrogen.
When you start to go from simple molecules to extended crystals, such as metals you start to get delocalization effects and the formation of continuous bands rather than discrete energy levels. Even there you can find more or less localized examples, such as NaCl (rock salt), which to good approximation is formed from ions, and in-betweens such as GaAs (III-V semiconductors) or even more so CdTe (II-VI semiconductors) which can be seen as part ionic part covalent.
 
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