Electrostatic Fields inside Charged Conductors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrostatic fields within charged conductors, particularly focusing on why the electric field inside a conductor is considered to be zero when in electrostatic equilibrium. Participants explore the implications of charge distribution and the effects of electric fields on free charges within the conductor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the electric field inside a charged conductor must be zero, noting the surface charge distribution and equipotential nature of the surface.
  • Another participant asks what would happen to free charges if there were a net electric field inside the conductor, assuming equilibrium.
  • It is suggested that since all free charges reside on the surface, fields within the conductor would not affect them.
  • A participant acknowledges that conduction charges would move in response to an electric field, but emphasizes that in equilibrium, there can be no fields inside.
  • One participant draws an analogy between a charged conductor and a capacitor, discussing energy considerations related to capacitance and external charges.
  • Another participant proposes that if there were charge inside the conductor, it would lead to continuous acceleration of electrons, resulting in infinite heating, which contradicts the assumption of equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that in electrostatic equilibrium, the electric field inside a charged conductor must be zero. However, there are differing views on the implications and reasoning behind this, particularly regarding the behavior of charges and energy considerations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about electrostatic equilibrium and the behavior of charges, which may not be fully explored or defined. The implications of charge distribution and energy in relation to capacitance are also raised but not resolved.

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Hi,

I'm having a little trouble understanding why the field inside a charged conductor must be zero. I understand that when the charge is put on the conductor, they spread out to the surface such that the surface becomes an equipotential. But why does that mean the field inside must be zero?
 
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What would happen (to the free charges) if there was a net electric field inside the conductor?

(I'm assuming that the charged conductor is in equilibrium here).
 
all the free charges are on the surface right? so any fields within the conductor wouldn't affect the charges?
 
dx said:
all the free charges are on the surface right?
Correct, but what about the conduction charges?
 
They would move. But we assumed equilibrium, therefore there can be no fields inside in equilibrium?
 
dx said:
They would move. But we assumed equilibrium, therefore there can be no fields inside in equilibrium?
Sounds good to me :approve:
 
I think of a charged conductor as a capacitor's plate. If capacitance is zero, electrons in the plate have zero energy. (U=CV^2)

If a capacitor has capacitance and a charge of one volt: an external electron that passes through the capacitor's voltage field gains an electron volt and the capacitor's energy decreases by one volt. Did the external electron decrease energy per point charge in the capacitor w/o decreasing the number of point charges in the capacitor? How?
 
Could you also argue that if there was charge on the inside you'd have electrons constantly accelerating creating a bigger and bigger current, thus infinitely heating the conductor, which cannot be the case?
 

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