Electrostatic Fields: Proton Attracts Electrons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electrostatic fields, particularly focusing on the behavior of protons and electrons, and the distinctions between electric monopoles and magnetic dipoles. Participants explore concepts related to vector fields, the electric field of charged particles, and the implications of particle motion on magnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a charged particle has an electrostatic field that is vectorial, similar to the attraction between the poles of a bar magnet.
  • Others argue that while electrons can attract or repel each other in relative motion due to magnetic forces, this differs from the behavior of electric monopoles.
  • There is a discussion about whether the electric field of an electron is monopole or vectorial, with some asserting it is both.
  • One participant clarifies that the electric field of an electron at rest consists of vectors pointing radially inwards, indicating a monopole field.
  • Concerns are raised about the relationship between electric fields and magnetic fields, particularly regarding the spin of electrons and its contribution to magnetic fields.
  • Some participants note that when an electron is at rest, it has no significant magnetic field, but its tiny magnetic moment can be considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electric and magnetic fields, particularly regarding the definitions of monopoles and dipoles. There is no consensus on the implications of electron spin and its relationship to magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the definitions of monopole and vector fields, as well as the unresolved nature of how an electron's spin affects its magnetic field when in motion.

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A charged particle have electrostatic field but this field is vectorial.
Is it like a bar magnet N and S pole? The head of a vector and a tail of an other attract each others?
A proton also have this vectorial force but p+ attract e- particles from any direction arround itself.
 
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Electrons can attract or repel each other when they are in a relative motion, but this is due to the magnetic force.
brian.green said:
Is it like a bar magnet N and S pole? The head of a vector and a tail of an other attract each others?
Bar magnet is a magnetic dipole, while a point charge is electric monopole, so they are different.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Bar magnet is a magnetic dipole, while a point charge is electric monopole, so they are different.

Point charge is monopol? But electric field is vectorial, perpendicular to the magnetic field vector. I cannot understand, electric field of an e- for example is monopol or vectorial? Vectorial doesn't mean dipole?
Wikipedia says: "It is also possible that the electron has an electric dipole moment, although this has not yet been observed (see electron electric dipole moment for more information)."
 
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The electric field of an electron at rest is described by vectors pointing radially inwards, directly towards the electron, from all directions. That's a monpole field.

"Vectorial" does not mean "dipole" - dipole fields are a kind of vector field, as are monopole fields (and many others).
 
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brian.green said:
I cannot understand, electric field of an e- for example is monopol or vectorial?
It is both.
brian.green said:
Vectorial doesn't mean dipole?
Correct.

(added: Nugatory beat me to it!)
 
Nugatory said:
The electric field of an electron at rest is described by vectors pointing radially inwards, directly towards the electron, from all directions.

At rest e- has only those many-many electric field vectors and no magnetic field at all? But what about the spin which produce magnetic field?
And when an e- is flowing it is alligned to the positive (less negative) direction and has a "head" and a "tail" and a perpendicular dipole magnetic field. At rest it has many-many vectors as you said; which one going to be the "head" when it start to flow and why that one? Is it up to the spin vector?
 
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brian.green said:
At rest e- has only those many-many electric field vectors and no magnetic field at all? But what about the spin which produce magnetic field?
When the electron is at rest, the only magnetic field it has is the tiny one produced by its tiny magnetic moment (which is the same whether the electron is moving or not). In most problems we can ignore this because it is so small.
 
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