Electrostatic Potential over all space

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrostatic potential in a space containing a sphere with a specific charge distribution and an additional point charge at the origin. Participants explore different methods for integrating the charge distribution to find the potential, considering both the charge inside and outside a given radius.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the integral for potential, questioning whether the integration limits should be from 0 to R or from infinity to R.
  • Another participant suggests integrating from 0 to R and then from R to r, indicating a preference for a comprehensive approach to "over all-space."
  • A third participant mentions that for calculating potential at a radius r, charges outside that radius can be neglected, and all charges inside can be treated as concentrated at the origin, drawing a parallel to gravitational potential.
  • Another participant prefers solving the differential equation for the potential, noting the radial symmetry and suggesting an ordinary differential equation approach with appropriate boundary conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the method of integration and the treatment of charges outside a given radius. No consensus is reached on the best approach to calculate the electrostatic potential.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different mathematical approaches and assumptions regarding charge distribution and boundary conditions, which may affect the integration process and the resulting potential.

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If I have a sphere with radius R which has a charge distribution given by

[itex]\rho(r)=\frac{5Q}{\pi R^{5}}r(r-R)[/itex]

and [itex]\rho = 0[/itex] at r bigger or equal to R, how do I find the electrostatic potential of this overall space? There is a charge Q, in addition, at the origin.

My original thought was to just do the usual and use

[itex]V(r)=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int \frac{\rho(r')}{r}dt'[/itex],

which if I am correct the integration goes from 0 to R, correct. Or does it extend from infinity into R? This has never made much sense to me. Somebody help me out with this idea. Thanks!
 
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Or do I integrate from 0 to R, plus integrate from R to r? That seems a lot more in line with "over all-space". . . let me know your thoughts.
 
For the potential at a given radius r, you can neglect all charges outside (r'>r) and assume that all charges inside are at r'=0. This is similar to gravity, and follows from the spherical symmetry.

Therefore, for radius r, [itex]\frac{dV(r)}{dr}=\frac{Q(r)}{r^2}[/itex] with prefactors depending on your units. Q(r) is the total charge up to radius r: [itex]Q(r)=Q_0 + \int_0^r 4 \pi r'^2 \rho(r') dr'[/itex].
You can find an analytic expression for Q(r), this can be used in the first equation, and another integration will give you the potential.
 
I'd rather solve the differential equation (written in Heaviside-Lorentz units)
[tex]\Delta \Phi=-\rho.[/tex]
Since the charge distribution is radially symmetric, you can make the ansatz in spherical coordinates,
[tex]\Phi(\vec{x})=\Phi(r).[/tex]
Then from the Laplacian in spherical coordinates you get
[tex]\Delta \Phi=\frac{1}{r^2} [r^2 \Phi'(r)]',[/tex]
and the equation becomes an ordinary differential equation, which you have to solve with the appropriate boundary conditions. This leads to mfb's solution (modulo a sign and prefactors depending on the system of units used).
 

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