Elementary differential equations: transformations

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a differential equation given by (x+2y+3)dx+(2x+4y-1)dy=0, focusing on the substitution z=x+2y. Participants express confusion regarding the algebraic simplification process that leads to a transformed equation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to clarify the differentiation of z and its implications for dz. There is a focus on the algebraic steps required to simplify the equation after substitution, with some questioning the correctness of previous steps and assumptions.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on correcting earlier misunderstandings regarding differentiation and algebraic manipulation. The conversation explores different interpretations of the simplification process, particularly in factoring terms involving dz.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion stemming from algebraic errors and the need for careful handling of terms during simplification. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in transforming the original equation into its simplified form.

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Homework Statement



(x+2y+3)dx+(2x+4y-1)dy=0

a1= 1 b1=2 a2=2 b2=4
a2/a1=b2/b1

Therefore z=x+2y
Here is where I get confused I understand that they must get a dz in the equations thus they take the derivative with respect to y of the following equation z=x+2y
thus giving dz=dx+2 or dz-dx/2

What I don't understand is the simplification process that occurs now

(z+3)dx +(2z-1)(dz-dx/2)=0

then the book goes on to transform it into

7dx + (2z-1)dz=0

I have no idea what they did to get to that step.

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Mdhiggenz said:

Homework Statement



(x+2y+3)dx+(2x+4y-1)dy=0

a1= 1 b1=2 a2=2 b2=4
a2/a1=b2/b1

Therefore z=x+2y
Here is where I get confused I understand that they must get a dz in the equations thus they take the derivative with respect to y of the following equation z=x+2y
thus giving dz=dx+2 or dz-dx/2
This isn't right. When you differentiate, you should get dz = dx + 2 dy. You can't have that lone 2 hanging around. It needs to be multiplied by dy. Then when you solve for dy, you get dy = (dz-dx)/2. Your second mistake was leaving out the parentheses.

Does it make sense after you make those corrections? It's just algebra from here.

What I don't understand is the simplification process that occurs now

(z+3)dx +(2z-1)(dz-dx/2)=0

then the book goes on to transform it into

7dx + (2z-1)dz=0

I have no idea what they did to get to that step.

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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It does clear up a few things but I am actually stuck on the algebra portion.

What I am doing in that case is first multiplying both sides by 2 and I get

2zdx+6dx+(2z-1)(dz-dx)=0
2zdx+6dx+(2zdz-2zdx-dz+dx)=0

7dx+2zdz-dz=0

In my mind I want to make it 7dx+zdz=0

But the book factors out the dz to make it 7dx+(2z-1)dz=0

Why do they go that route?
 
To put it bluntly: because what you want to do in your mind is wrong. :smile:

When you combine the dz terms, what you are doing is factoring. You pull out the common factor of dz to get (2z-1) dz. You can't do anything to simplify the expression from here.

If you had, instead, 2z dz - z dz, you'd factor dz out to get (2z-z)dz. This time, you can simplify what's in the parentheses to end up with z dz. Or even better, you could pull out the common factor of z dz to get 2z dz - z dz = (2-1) z dz = z dz.
 
Awesome thanks man! (: I love it when math makes sense.
 

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