Elevator Free Fall: Calculating Energy & Spring Constant

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The discussion centers on calculating the energy dynamics of a free-falling elevator weighing 50,000 N that descends 27 meters before engaging shock absorbers. The total gravitational potential energy at 27 meters is calculated to be 1,350,000 J, while the energy at the bottom, accounting for a friction force of 60,000 N, is adjusted to 1,290,000 J. Participants debate the correct application of the work-energy principle to find the spring constant, K, leading to various calculations and corrections. The final consensus suggests that the spring constant should be derived from the relationship between gravitational potential energy and the energy stored in the spring. The correct value for K is ultimately determined to be 100,000 N/m.
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an elevator car weighing 50,000 N is 27m from the ground. the cable snaps and the elevator goes into free fall. Shock absorbers have been provided, the coil length is 1 m.

Assume elevator is able to lock onto the shaft at the point of contact w/ the absorber so that it does not bounce back. When elevator comes into contact w/ absorbers there is friction force of 60,000N acting on it as it descends that 1 m distance.


(A) Total energy of the elevator 27m above ground?
MGH= 50,000N*27
MGH = 1,350,000

(B)At the bottom of the shaft,when elevator comes to rest what is the total energy (take into account work done by friction)

MGH= 0 KE = 1/2 M V2- Friction

1/2 5000 V2=1,350,000-60,000
V2=564
V=24

Total energy: 1290000 ?


(C)Use work energy principal to determine spring constant K.

MGH= 50,000N* -1 = -50,000N
SPE = 1/2Kx2 = 1/2 K

-50,000+1/2 K = 1,290,000

K= 2,680,000



This doesn't seem correct.
 
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it looks very good (and a well posted question and attempt at solution!) up until part c:

The energy stored in a spring is 1/2kX^2

Equate this to the energy lost by "friction",
 
Thank you Denverdoc.


Is this what you mean?


MGH= 50,000N* -1 = -50,000N
SPE = 1/2Kx2 = 1/2 K (1)

-50,000 + 1/2 K (1) = 60,000 N (??)

1/2 K = 110,000

K= 220,000
 
not quite: mgh = 1/2 kx^2. The kneticenergy gets converted to the potemtial energy of the spring.
 
Is this what you mean?

50,000 = 1/2 K X ^2

100,000 = K
 
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