Eliminating fruit from the diet

  1. Ivan Seeking

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    I have come to the conclusion that I cannot and will never tolerate most fruits. I won't explain the long history of this decision except to say that I have a blood sugar problem that is very hard to control, and even small amounts of fruit can send me into a crisis.

    I eat plenty of vegetables but I'm not sure what we get from fruit that I need to be sure comes from vegies, and what vegetables might be the best options with this in mind.

    I take basic supplements but prefer to round out the diet as much as possible.
     
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  3. phinds

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    That sounds serious enough that you probably should see a nutritionist.
     
  4. Evo

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    Ivan, specifically, what were you diagnosed with that would limit fruit in your diet? I have not seen anything that supports your claim that fruit can cause medical problems.

    Please, in addition to explaining what medical condition precludes fruits, please post the peer reviewed, mainstream medical research that supports your claims.

    Bolding mine.
     
  5. turbo

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    How about substituting fructose-heavy fruits with some vegetables that had more complex starches? Some fruits can hit you hard.
     
  6. Ivan Seeking

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    I am hypersensitive to carbs. I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome by one of the nation's leading specialists, and he explained how this all works long ago.

    I'm not out to prove my claim. I am asking for some thoughts on a nutritional comparison between vegetables and fruits. It seemed reasonable to explain why.
     
  7. Ivan Seeking

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    Yes, I do fine with vegetables but not legumes. I eat tons of vegetables now but suspect specific foods might be helpful in assuring that I get a good range of nutrition.
     
  8. Eating fats with carbs slows down digestion. Helps a lot with sugar control.
     
  9. Evo

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    Then you should be eating a lot of fruit.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10889805

    Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/407721-fruit-with-a-low-glycemic-index/#ixzz2PeTpsaTo

    Oranges, for example are high in fiber and extremely low on the glycemic index, rating a 6.

    http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1966/2

    Avoid juices. Eat whole fruit.
     
  10. Ivan Seeking

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    Evo, I appreciate your input but I know all of this. I've been living with this my entire life. I'm asking for a comparison between fruits and vegetables.

    My condition is fairly extreme and I'm not asking for medical advice. That is beyond the scope of this forum.
     
  11. Evo

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    I also have all of the symptoms of metabolic syndrome. I have a pooched out belly. I am very aware of it. I also know that there is no test for it and that there is no way to diagnose it aside from saying "well, these are the symptoms". I have all of the symptoms.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolic syndrome/DS00522/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis

    Metabolic syndrome is a term meaning you have certain risk factors, it is the individual risk factors that one has that can lead to heart disease and type 2 diabetes.

    http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condi...out-Metabolic-Syndrome_UCM_301920_Article.jsp

    If you were told you have these risk factors then you should eat fruit.


    If you use the link I gave you to nutrition data, you can do customized searches for high fiber fruits and vegetables with a low glycemic index, which is what you are looking for.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2013
  12. Ryan_m_b

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    In many countries nutritionist is not a medically recognised profession and thus isn't covered by any regulation. A dietician is someone who is medically qualified to advise on diet.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritionist
     
  13. You can google any fruit or vegetable and find out what nutrients are in it. I don't believe there's anything in fruit that can't also be found in vegetables. Lists of the essential vitamins and minerals we need must be all over the web. You can compare that to what's found in various vegetables to make sure you're getting what you need without fruit.
     
  14. Ivan Seeking

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    Just to clarify, as is indicated by my glucose meter and by my glucose tolerance test which left me unconscious, when I eat carbs I tend to release far too much insulin. I have passed out from this quite a few times, perhaps 20 times or more. I estimate that I've tolerated at least 5000 blood sugar crises over the course of my life that left me shaky and nauseas at a minimum - all as low blood sugar as a result of consuming carbs. In fact for most of my early life I felt terrible every morning - every morning I was eating a very "healthy breakfast" that was sending me right into a crisis. But when I was very young, I thought this was normal! I thought everyone felt terrible in the morning.

    One night, poor Integral and his wife had me crashed out on their living room floor after dinner! I make a heck of a dinner guest, eh?

    I don't have classic metabolic syndrome, which is usually adult onset. And I'm not insulin resistant. I am hypersensitive to carbs and was born with this. So it seems that I'm special. All that I can really do is to see what causes problems. At times it doesn't seem to make much sense but the glycemic index is a good start. To say the least, this has been a lifelong struggle and it has sabotaged my life many times. I have only taken extreme measures as a last resort. And only in the last two years have really started to get this under control for the first time. But time and time again, fruit causes my blood sugar to crash. Last week, a small amount of fruit took me out of commission for over 24 hours. That was my first serious crisis in about nine months [the last was caused by a beer] and my tolerance to carbs is as high now as it has been since I remember, so I give up.

    Zooby, you alluded to what most interests me. I can compare the basics but didn't know if there are any hidden variables that make fruit unique. I do plan to talk with a dietician but wanted to start exploring this issue.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2013
  15. phinds

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    Yes, I mis-spoke on this. I did MEAN dietician. Thanks.
     
  16. fluidistic

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    How do you feel if you eat an avocado? I think it's rich in carbs (bad for you?), low on sugars and rich in fibers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocado#Culinary_uses
    It's a fruit, I guess you knew this. But somehow different from other fuits when it comes to sugar levels.

    Edit: Check out the quinoa. It's not a vegetable and despite being high on carbs, it has tons of nutriments from which hopefully you can find in fruits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#Nutritional_value
    I don't think it would be bad to experiment a bit if you have not yet and eat a very small portion of it.
     
  17. OmCheeto

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    Does the ripeness of the fruit make a difference?
    Really ripe fruit always tastes sweeter to me. (Fructose = simple carb)
    Try eating a green/pink strawberry.

    CDC on Carbs
    I diagnosed myself about 20 years ago with what I would describe as "non-debilitating, but I need 3 alarm clocks to wake me up in the morning" type of hypoglycemia.

    The diagnosis was actually made by a doctor on TV describing my symptoms. He also prescribed the cure. I tried it, and it worked. When others describe my symptoms, I recommend the simple "cure". They claim I'm a genius, as it always seems to work.

    ps. That doctor on TV? I believe it was Lendon Smith. Good god. I've just discovered that he is now considered a quack!

    pps. I do believe in his basic tenet though; "Good nutrition is paramount".

    ppps. I've only witnessed a "diabetic" type episode once in my life. It wasn't really frightening until I read up on what was happening inside the person I was sitting next to. Neuroglycopenia is not something to be unaware of.
     
  18. Evo

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    Ivan, there are some differences, funny, I don't eat fruit, but I'm trying to eat healthier and a few weeks ago had found a paper that explained some of the differences in (I'll call them "stuff in the fruit" that was different from veggies). So there are some things you'd lose out on, not sure how big of a deal they are, since veggies and fruit do share a lot of similar qualities. So I went out and bought fruit.

    I will try to locate the study for you.
     
  19. Ivan, you should really seek a dietitian instead of posting on an online forum.
     
  20. If fruit has something unique it's not a vitamin or mineral. I am betting, though, a dietician will concur that you can completely switch to vegetables and suffer no deprivation whatever.
     
  21. lets bet on fiber then, it helps the digestion process
     
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