Elliptical motion about the origin

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The problem involves a ball of mass m attached to a rubber band, moving in an elliptical path around the origin, described by the vector function r(t). The task is to determine the period of the ball's motion, given the parameters b and ω.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the period of harmonic motion and elliptical motion, with one suggesting that the period is T=2Pi/ω. Others explore the implications of combining periodic functions and question how to simplify the distance from the origin using trigonometric identities.

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There is ongoing exploration of the period of the motion and the simplification of the distance function. Some participants have provided guidance on using trigonometric identities, while others are questioning the application of these concepts to the problem at hand.

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Participants are considering the periodic nature of the functions involved and how coefficients affect the application of trigonometric identities. There is a focus on ensuring that the assumptions about periodicity are valid in the context of elliptical motion.

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Homework Statement



A ball of mass m fastened to a long rubber band is spun around so that the ball follows an elliptical path about the origin given by:

r(t)=bcos(ωt)e(x)+2bsin(ωt)e(y)

b, ω constants
bold type indicates vectors

Find the period of the balls motion.

Homework Equations



r(t)=bcos(ωt)e(x)+2bsin(ωt)e(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the period is, T=2Pi/ω because the motion is harmonic but I'm not sure if this applies for elliptical motion..?

 
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Identify said:

Homework Statement



A ball of mass m fastened to a long rubber band is spun around so that the ball follows an elliptical path about the origin given by:

r(t)=bcos(ωt)e(x)+2bsin(ωt)e(y)

b, ω constants
bold type indicates vectors

Find the period of the balls motion.

Homework Equations



r(t)=bcos(ωt)e(x)+2bsin(ωt)e(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the period is, T=2Pi/ω because the motion is harmonic but I'm not sure if this applies for elliptical motion..?
Hi Identify, Welcome to Physics Forums.

All you have to do is establish after what time period the function r(t) repeats. What do you know about finding the overall period of a function that is comprised of other functions with their own periods?
 
Thanks gneill.
I think when 2 periodic functions are added their periods are Pi(the lowest common multiple of the two periods). In this case the answer would be T=2Pi/w, since the period of the cos and sin functions are both 2Pi.
 
Identify said:
Thanks gneill.
I think when 2 periodic functions are added their periods are Pi(the lowest common multiple of the two periods). In this case the answer would be T=2Pi/w, since the period of the cos and sin functions are both 2Pi.

Your result is fine.
 
To find the distance from the origin I take,

|r(t)|=((bcos(ωt))^2 + (2bsin(ωt))^2))^1/2

Is there a way I can use the sin^2(u) + cos^2(u) = 1 identity to simplify this any further? Or is this the simplified form? If the identity can be used here I am having trouble with the b and 2b coefficients.
 
Identify said:
To find the distance from the origin I take,

|r(t)|=((bcos(ωt))^2 + (2bsin(ωt))^2))^1/2

Is there a way I can use the sin^2(u) + cos^2(u) = 1 identity to simplify this any further? Or is this the simplified form? If the identity can be used here I am having trouble with the b and 2b coefficients.

Well, you can pull the b out for starters. You could also convert either cos2 or sin2 via your identity to get everything in terms of just sin2 or just cos2.
 

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