Elliptical Motion: Proving w/ Displacement & Acceleration Vectors

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The discussion revolves around proving that a body is undergoing elliptical motion based on given displacement and acceleration vectors. The original poster presents mathematical expressions for both vectors and seeks validation for their approach in demonstrating the elliptical nature of the motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to show that the acceleration is proportional to the displacement vector as a means to prove elliptical motion. Another participant suggests using the Cartesian equation of motion to derive the equation of an ellipse. Questions arise regarding the implications of acceleration being proportional to displacement and whether it indicates motion towards a center.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach and exploring alternative methods. Some express agreement with the validity of using the Cartesian equation, while others clarify misconceptions about the relationship between acceleration and displacement in the context of elliptical motion.

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There is a discussion about the implications of the acceleration vector not pointing towards the center due to the presence of a constant offset in the displacement vector. Participants are questioning the assumptions related to the nature of the motion and the definitions involved.

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Given the following displacement vector (and thus, also, acceleration vector):

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \overrightarrow r (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {1 + 3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> {2 + 4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \overrightarrow a (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {\frac{{ - 3\pi ^2 }}{4}\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> { - \pi ^2 \sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

I need to show that the body is undergoing eliptical motion. This is how i proceeded:
[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \overrightarrow r (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {1 + 3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> {2 + 4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> {4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) + \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 2 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \therefore\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> {4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) = \overrightarrow r (t) - \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 2 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \overrightarrow a (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {\frac{{ - 3\pi ^2 }}{4}\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> { - \pi ^2 \sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) = \frac{{ - \pi ^2 }}{4}\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> {4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) = \frac{{ - \pi ^2 }}{4}\left[ {\overrightarrow r (t) - \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 2 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right)} \right] \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Is that how i should do it? By showing that the acceleration is proportional to the displacement vector?

Thanks in advance,
Dan.
 
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I just thought about using the cartesian equation of motion.

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> x = 1 + 3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\ <br /> \therefore\left( {\frac{{x - 1}}{3}} \right)^2 = \cos ^2 (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\ <br /> \\ <br /> y = 2 + 4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\ <br /> \therefore\left( {\frac{{y - 2}}{4}} \right)^2 = \sin ^2 (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \therefore\left( {\frac{{x - 1}}{3}} \right)^2 + \left( {\frac{{y - 2}}{4}} \right)^2 = 1 \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Which is the cartesian equation of an ellipse. Is this method also mathematically valid?
 
Yes, that's the obvious way to go!

In fact, saying that "the acceleration is proporional to the displacement vector" would be saying that the acceleration vector points toward the center. That's true for circles but NOT for ellipses.

The planets move in ellipses and their acceleration is, of course, toward the sun- which is at a focus, not the center.
 
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Yes, that's the obvious way to go!

In fact, saying that "the acceleration is proporional to the displacement vector" would be saying that the acceleration vector points toward the center. That's true for circles but NOT for ellipses.

The planets move in ellipses and their acceleration is, of course, toward the sun- which is at a focus, not the center.

Thanks for the reply :smile:

In regards to my first post, how does it show that the acceleration is to the center? Wouldnt the [tex] - \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 2 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right)[/tex] part mean that the acceleration isn't towards the centre? Or were you referring to the comment i made about it being proportional to the displacement vector?
 
You are right. that [tex]- \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c} 1 \\ 2 \\\end{array}} \right)[/tex] means it is not pointing toward the center.

You said "Is that how i should do it? By showing that the acceleration is proportional to the displacement vector?

For a vector to be proportional to another vector, i.e. a constant times the vector, they would have to be parallel or anti-parallel. I thought you were saying that you had shown that the acceleration vector was anti-parallel to the displacement vector- pointing toward the center.
 

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