Enclosed charge of an electron cloud with a given charge density function.

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The discussion revolves around the charge distribution of an electron cloud in a hydrogen atom's ground state, specifically focusing on the charge density function provided and the integration to find the enclosed charge.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the integration of the charge density over a spherical volume to determine the enclosed charge, questioning why the result does not equal the charge of a single electron. Some participants suggest considering the statistical nature of the charge distribution and the implications of quantum mechanics.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the conceptual underpinnings of the charge distribution and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to integrate to infinity to account for the entire charge distribution, and there is recognition of the average nature of the electron's position in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment that the charge distribution does not terminate within a finite volume, leading to a non-zero probability of finding the electron outside the volume being integrated. The discussion also touches on the average treatment of the electron's charge in quantum mechanics.

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I have a conceptual problem.

Homework Statement


I was given a charge distribution for an electron cloud of a hydrogen atom in the ground state - ignoring the nucleus.


Homework Equations


charge density: ρ=charge of electron/(pi*Bohr radius^3)*exp(-2r/Bohr radius)


The Attempt at a Solution


Whenever I integrate over the volume of the sphere to find the enclosed charge, I got a value other than the charge of an electron. Why isn't the enclosed charge equal to the charge of an electron? What concept am I missing here? The charge density function comes from quantum mechanics. Is there some weird quantum effect there that is taken into account?
 
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The charge distribution does not terminate inside a finite volume - plot ##\rho(r)## vs ##r## and compare with the radius of the volume you are integrating over.

The "weird quantum effect" is the statistical nature of that charge distribution ... for a sphere radius R (finite volume) about the nucleus, there is always a non-zero probability of finding the electron outside that volume. Integrate to infinity and you should get ##q_e##.
 
Thank you. I took a drive and realized that some of the distribution must lie outside the Bohr radius because it is an average value for the distance of the electron, and that when r is at infinity the electron and proton must both be point charges at the origin. I'm glad I came back to someone confirming that!
 
Yah - this treatment of the electron as having its charge smeared out over the wave0-function is only an average treatment. An actual interaction may measure the position of a particular electron more accurately than that... but, for a large number of hydrogen atoms, it all averages out.
 

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