Energy Conservation in Pendulum Swing: Finding v for Complete Circle

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The problem involves a bullet passing through a pendulum bob, with the goal of determining the minimum speed required for the pendulum bob to complete a vertical swing. The context includes concepts of energy conservation and momentum in a pendulum system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy and momentum, with one suggesting that the kinetic energy at the top of the swing should be zero. Questions arise about the relationship between the velocities of the bullet and the bob, and how to combine the equations effectively.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using conservation laws to set up equations, while others express uncertainty about combining the equations and the meanings of the variables involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the different quantities in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the distinction between the velocities of the bullet and the bob, and the implications of the problem's setup on their calculations.

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"A bullet of mass m and speed v passes completely through a pendulum bob of mass M. The bullet emerges with a speed of v/2. The pendulum bob is suspended by a stiff rod of length l and negligable mass.
A) What is the minimum value of v such that the pendulum bob will barely swing through a complete vertical circle?
Energy is conserved for the bob-Earth system between bottom and top of swing. At the top, the stiff rod is in compression and the bob nearly at rest.

I'm not really sure how to do this problem, but i think that at the top, it would barely swing through because it is nearly at rest, but I am not sure what to do with that.
 

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Since it is the minimum speed at which it will make it over, you calculate v such that the kinetic energy at the top is zero (no velocity)

then:

mv = m(v/2) + MV (conservation of momentum)

1/2MV^2 = Mg(2l)

that should be enough to solve it.
 
I undestand the formula's but I'm really bad at physics so I'm not sure if i know what to do next. I never understood how to combine these two formulas.
Can I solve for V in the conservation of momentum equation and then sub that into the conservation of energy equation? Are V and v supposed to be different or the same?
 
V and v are different, one is velocity of the bullet, the big V is that of the bob. yes, you have 2 equations and 2 unknowns (v and V) so solve one and substitute as you suggested
 
Thank you for all your help
 

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