Energy Consumed while charging a mobile phone

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on estimating the energy consumed while charging a mobile phone, considering various factors such as charger specifications, battery capacity, and efficiency losses during the charging process. Participants explore theoretical calculations and practical considerations related to energy consumption in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant provides the specifications of their mobile phone charger and seeks to determine the energy consumed over time.
  • Another participant argues that rated values of chargers may not reflect actual energy consumption, comparing it to a car's rated speed versus actual driving speed.
  • A rule of thumb is suggested regarding energy loss during the charging cycle, estimating a 20% loss and proposing that the energy required may be roughly double the battery's rating during active charging.
  • One participant calculates the energy stored in a typical cell phone battery and estimates the total energy consumed during charging, factoring in energy loss.
  • A different participant questions the typical capacity of cell phone batteries, suggesting that common capacities are lower than 4000 mAh and outlines various factors affecting energy consumption, including charger efficiency and the phone's operational demands.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for empirical measurement of current during a charge cycle to obtain accurate energy consumption data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of chargers and the typical capacities of mobile phone batteries. There is no consensus on a definitive method for calculating energy consumption, and multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing energy loss during charging.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their estimates, including assumptions about charger efficiency and battery capacity, as well as the variability in actual charging conditions.

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The Rating on my Mobile Phone Charger is:
Input : 100 - 240 VAC
50-60 Hz 0.15A
Output : 5.0V ⎓ 1.0A
How will we determine the energy consumed by the charger in T Hrs?
 
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This will be very inexact because rated values are not actual values. By comparison, your car could be rated to drive at 120 mph, but that has nothing to to with speeds you actually drive.

120V * 0.15 A = 18 Watts, or 0.018 kWh of energy per hour, or 64,800 joules of energy per hour.

Edit: That does not include energy used in the grid supply chain.
 
A rule of thumb is 20% loss in the charge cycle of a battery. That doesn't count inefficiencies in the charger, etc.

I would guess a very rough estimate of twice the rating of the battery for a modern charger during active charging. (As opposed to sitting there not charging, but plugged in.)
 
I think Jeff Rosenbury is on the right track. A typical cell phone battery stores about 4 amp-hours at 3.6V = 4.0 * 3.6 * 3600 = about 50,000 Joules. Assuming half the energy is lost during charging as Jeff Rosenbury suggested brings us up to about 100,000 Joules. This is about 0.03 kWh, and costs about 0.3 cents at 10 cents/kWh.
 
Never seen a 4000maH cell phone battery. More like 2600 or less is typical.

Depending on the efficiency of the charger in the phone, you need to
1. put energy into the battery
2. deal with the efficiency of the charger circuit in the phone
3. Run the processor, etc. (maybe)
4. Deal with the efficiency of the wall wart.

Most are probably switchers, so that run in the area of 10-20% lost.

Only way you will ever know for sure is to record the current into the phone during a charge cycle at the wall wart input.

Here is a charge cycle for an 1800 maH battery. You can see the constant current phase followed by the constant current phase.
This is just how the battery itself behaves when charged by a charger. (this happens to use 900ma. The next phone might use 400ma. depends on the phone)

LiIonChargeGph.JPG
 

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