Energy density in 1D elastic wave

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The discussion revolves around the energy density of a one-dimensional elastic wave, specifically examining the relationship between amplitude and energy density in the context of transverse waves. Participants explore various aspects of wave behavior, including energy transport and potential versus kinetic energy in the wave medium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that energy density is proportional to the square of the amplitude, leading to the conclusion that energy density should be constant for all x.
  • Another participant clarifies that the energy density is not constant and varies along the wave, being maximum where the displacement is zero.
  • There is a discussion about the need to specify the type of wave and medium involved, with a focus on transverse waves and their properties.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy and displacement, noting that potential energy is stored only where the string deviates from its equilibrium position.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between displacement and potential energy, prompting further clarification from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the proportional relationship between energy density and amplitude, but there is disagreement regarding the constancy of energy density along the wave. The discussion remains unresolved on certain aspects, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of energy transport in the wave.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the energy density varies along the wave and that the average energy is often considered over a full period. There is also mention of different types of waves and how their energy characteristics may differ.

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Hello,
consider a 1D elastic wave which have the amplitude:
[tex]A=cos(x)[/tex]

What is the energy density: [tex]\frac{dE}{dx}[/tex] of this wave?

I seem to recall that the energy of a wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude:
[tex]E \propto A^2[/tex]

That seem to mean that [tex]\frac{dE}{dx} \propto cos(x)^2[/tex]

However the energy density should be constant for all x in this case, since there is no loss!?

If I instead define [tex]A=e^{ix}[/tex], and use that [tex]E \propto |A|^2[/tex]
things work better since [tex]|A|^2 = 1[/tex], which is independent of x.

So what is happening here?


Thanks in advance for any answers!
 
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Andy, To write down the energy you need to be more explicit about what kind of wave it is. You say the wave is one-dimensional, but you didn't say what type of medium is involved, and whether the wave is longitudinal or transverse. Let's suppose it's transverse, and described by a transverse displacement a(x,t). The medium (string?) will be described by a mass per unit length ρ and a restoring force per unit length T (string tension?).

The wave equation is ρ ∂2a/∂t2 - T ∂2a/∂x2 = 0, with solution a(x,t) = A sin(kx - ωt) with phase velocity ω/k = √(T/ρ).

Then the energy per unit length is E = ½ρ(∂a/∂t)2 + ½T(∂a/∂x)2 = ρA2ω2 cos2(kx - ωt)

(Note the last two terms are equal, i.e. the potential energy density equals the kinetic energy density.) This result confirms you're right, the energy density is proportional to A2. And it is proportional to cos2. It is *not* constant, it is maximum where the displacement is zero, because that's the point where the wave has the largest kinetic and potential energy.
 
Bill_K said:
Andy, To write down the energy you need to be more explicit about what kind of wave it is. You say the wave is one-dimensional, but you didn't say what type of medium is involved, and whether the wave is longitudinal or transverse. Let's suppose it's transverse, and described by a transverse displacement a(x,t). The medium (string?) will be described by a mass per unit length ρ and a restoring force per unit length T (string tension?).

The wave equation is ρ ∂2a/∂t2 - T ∂2a/∂x2 = 0, with solution a(x,t) = A sin(kx - ωt) with phase velocity ω/k = √(T/ρ).

Then the energy per unit length is E = ½ρ(∂a/∂t)2 + ½T(∂a/∂x)2 = ρA2ω2 cos2(kx - ωt)

(Note the last two terms are equal, i.e. the potential energy density equals the kinetic energy density.) This result confirms you're right, the energy density is proportional to A2. And it is proportional to cos2. It is *not* constant, it is maximum where the displacement is zero, because that's the point where the wave has the largest kinetic and potential energy.

Thank you Bill_K for your answer!
Yes I am talking about a transverse wave.

So the energy per unit length varies between 0 and ρA2ω2 along the period of the wave.
(It seems we usually define the energy to be an average over a whole period?)
But the wave transports energy in the propagation direction. This "flow of energy" must be constant along x. How do we define this?
 
Bill_K said:
(Note the last two terms are equal, i.e. the potential energy density equals the kinetic energy density.) This result confirms you're right, the energy density is proportional to A2. And it is proportional to cos2. It is *not* constant, it is maximum where the displacement is zero, because that's the point where the wave has the largest kinetic and potential energy.

I must not be reading a part correctly -- are you saying that the potential energy be largest when the displacement is zero?
 
I must not be reading a part correctly -- are you saying that the potential energy be largest when the displacement is zero?
That is correct. Because in a vibrating string the potential energy stored at a particular spot is determined by how much the string deviates from the horizontal, namely ∂a/∂x. A region where the string is perfectly flat, a = const ≠ 0, for example, contains *no* potential energy. Do you agree? For a vibrating string it's only places where ∂a/∂x ≠ 0 that the potential energy is stored. This holds true for both transverse and longitudinal vibrations. Imagine a slinky being stretched longitudinally. Again, you'll store no energy where the displacement a = const, only where the spring is actually being stretched, i.e. where ∂a/∂x ≠ 0.

This property is different for different types of wave, which is why I asked Andy very first thing what kind of wave he meant. There are other types of waves that behave the way you're thinking. For example sound waves in a crystal lattice would, in which each atom has an "at rest" location, and is attached to it by a little spring. In that case, like you said, the potential energy depends on a rather than ∂a/∂x.
 
Bill_K said:
That is correct. Because in a vibrating string the potential energy stored at a particular spot is determined by how much the string deviates from the horizontal, namely ∂a/∂x. A region where the string is perfectly flat, a = const ≠ 0, for example, contains *no* potential energy. Do you agree?
I do agree. The spring here is the string itself, which is stretched when dy/dx ~= 0. I was confusing myself by thinking about a slightly different kind of wave. ;)
 

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