Energy dependence on observer framework

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Mechanical energy is dependent on the observer's frame of reference, as demonstrated by the varying kinetic energy of a bullet depending on the observer's motion. Newton's laws apply strictly within inertial frames, raising questions about the validity of energy conservation in non-inertial frames. While energy formalism can be applied in non-inertial frames, it requires the inclusion of inertial forces. The integral form of energy conservation can be used in any frame where potential energy does not change over time. This discussion highlights the complexities of energy dependence on the observer's framework.
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Does mechanical energy of a system depend on the framework of an observer (neglecting a constant)?
 
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hokhani said:
Does mechanical energy of a system depend on the framework of an observer (neglecting a constant)?

Yes. The kinetic energy of a bullet is zero in the frame of an observer who is at rest relative to the bullet, non-zero for an observer who is at rest relative to the target of the bullet.
 
I agree with Nugatory but I can't help but wonder what you mean by "neglecting a constant".
 
HallsofIvy said:
I agree with Nugatory but I can't help but wonder what you mean by "neglecting a constant".

Ok, Right. The statement "neglecting a constant" is my mistake.
I clarify my purpose of the question:
Newton's laws are only valid in inertial framework. I like to know whether energy formalism is valid in non-inertial framework or not? In other words, can one solve the problems exactly, using conservation of energy in non-inertial framework?
 
hokhani said:
Ok, Right. The statement "neglecting a constant" is my mistake.
I clarify my purpose of the question:
Newton's laws are only valid in inertial framework. I like to know whether energy formalism is valid in non-inertial framework or not? In other words, can one solve the problems exactly, using conservation of energy in non-inertial framework?


\int_{t_0}^{t_1}\vec{F}(t)\cdot\vec{v}(t)dt = \frac{1}{2}m v^2(t_1) - \frac{1}{2}m v^2(t_0) is valid in frames where \vec{F}(t) = m \frac{d\vec{v}(t)}{dt}

That is, in inertial frames.

You still can use it in non-inertial frames IF you add "inertial forces".


\int_{t_0}^{t_1}\vec{F}(t)\cdot\vec{v}(t)dt = U(x(t_0),y(t_0),z(t_0))- U(x(t_1),y(t_1),z(t_1)) is valid in any frame where \vec{F}(x,y,z) = -\nabla U(x,y,z)

where U(x,y,z) does not vary with time in this frame.
 
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