Energy distribution plot of neutrinos in beta decay

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The discussion revolves around the energy distribution plot of neutrinos in beta decay, specifically focusing on the shape and characteristics of the neutrino energy spectrum in relation to the beta particle spectrum. Participants explore the theoretical framework and implications of the three-body problem involved in beta decay.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that beta decay involves a nucleus, an electron, and an anti-neutrino, framing it as a three-body problem.
  • Another participant suggests approximating the anti-neutrino spectrum by subtracting the beta energy spectrum from the total energy of the decay, indicating that the most probable energy of the beta particle is about Eβ/3, leading to an anti-neutrino energy of approximately 2/3 Eβ.
  • A participant questions whether the anti-neutrino spectrum would also be continuous and similar in shape to the beta particle spectrum.
  • In response, it is stated that while the neutrino spectrum is continuous, it is complementary to the beta decay spectrum, implying a different functional relationship.
  • Another participant challenges the relevance of the difference between intensity at a given energy and the peak intensity, suggesting that the graph should be flipped across the vertical axis to accurately represent the relationship between electron and neutrino energies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the beta particle and anti-neutrino spectra, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the shape and characteristics of the neutrino energy spectrum.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need to consider the recoil of the nucleus and the implications of energy conservation in their analyses, highlighting the complexity of the three-body problem in beta decay.

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what's the shape and how I get the spectrum of the kinetic energy of the neutrinos?
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Hello,
When you have a beta decay you get the typical continuos spectrum representing counts against the kinetic energy of the electron. But what's the shape and how I get the spectrum of the kinetic energy of the neutrinos?
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It's a 3 body problem, since there is a nucleus, an electron (beta particle) and an anti-neutrino. Given that the nucleus is massive, A * ~931.49 MeV, the beta and anti-neutrino will get most of the energy.

One can approximate the shape of the anti-neutrino spectrum by assuming the total energy of the beta decay, e.g., Eβ, and subtracting the beta energy spectrum. The anti-neutrino energy is approximately the total energy minus the beta energy. The most probably energy of a beta particle in the decay is about Eβ/3, and corresponding anti-neutrino energy would be ~2/3 Eβ.
 
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Astronuc said:
It's a 3 body problem, since there is a nucleus, an electron (beta particle) and an anti-neutrino. Given that the nucleus is massive, A * ~931.49 MeV, the beta and anti-neutrino will get most of the energy.

One can approximate the shape of the anti-neutrino spectrum by assuming the total energy of the beta decay, e.g., Eβ, and subtracting the beta energy spectrum. The anti-neutrino energy is approximately the total energy minus the beta energy. The most probably energy of a beta particle in the decay is about Eβ/3, and corresponding anti-neutrino energy would be ~2/3 Eβ.
I see, so the spectrum would be also continuos and a similar shape?
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I see, so the spectrum would be also continuos and a similar shape?
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No, the shape for the neutrino would be continuous but complementary to the spectrum of the beta decay, so if the proportion of energy for the beta particle was given by f(E), then the function describing the anti-neutrino energy would be 1-f(E).

See this spectrum for beta particles - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Nuclear/beta2.html

Draw a horizontal line across the top. The difference between the horizontal line and the curve for the beta particle intensity is approximately the anit-neutrino intensity. Plot the difference vs energy, and that is the anti-neutrino spectrum.
 
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Astronuc said:
Draw a horizontal line across the top. The difference between the horizontal line and the curve for the beta particle intensity is approximately the anit-neutrino intensity. Plot the difference vs energy, and that is the anti-neutrino spectrum.
Huh? The difference between intensity at a given energy and the peak intensity isn't relevant.
If we neglect the recoil of the nucleus then the sum of electron and neutrino energy is constant, so you need to flip the graph across the vertical axis. The largest electron energy corresponds to the smallest neutrino energy and vice versa.
 
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