Energy for heating the air to a specific temperature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to heat air to a specific temperature in an oven, including considerations for maintaining that temperature. Participants explore theoretical starting points, necessary measurements, and relevant formulas.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on the energy required to heat air in an oven and requests theoretical starting points.
  • Another participant lists necessary factors for the calculation, including specific heat of air, volume of air, thermal conductance of the oven, and ambient temperature.
  • A participant mentions the specific heat of air as approximately 1.026 kJ/(kg K) and provides a volume of 64 m³ for the air to be heated.
  • It is suggested that the specific mass of air is about 1 kg/m³, leading to a total mass of 64 kg for heating calculations.
  • Calculations are proposed for the energy needed to raise the temperature to 200°C, resulting in a total energy requirement of approximately 10,506.24 kJ, assuming no thermal leakage.
  • Discussion includes the need for the thermal conductance of the oven, which is suggested to be measured experimentally.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of the oven's heat capacity in addition to thermal conductance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the factors to consider for the calculations, but there is no consensus on the specific values for thermal conductance or heat capacity, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding these measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the specific thermal conductance of the oven or the heat capacity, which are necessary for complete calculations. The discussion relies on assumptions about thermal leakage being ignored.

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Hi all. I'm trying to find haw much energy is required to get the air heated up to one desire temperature in oven. . I guess the next issue will be haw much energy is required to keep the temperature at the setting point.
A theoretic starting point will be useful from your side, if possible.
Thank you.
 
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You need to find out:
  1. The specific heat of air
  2. The volume of the air you want to heat
  3. The thermal conductance of the oven
  4. The ambient temperature
From there on, it's only plugging in numbers in formulas,
 
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Thank you for your advice. I will came back after measurements/calculations ( for 1-4 ) for the "data assembly" for the final scope: formulas for energy required.
 
I guess, if the calculation are correct :) that we are talking about:

The specific heat of air - 1.026 kJ/(kg K)

The volume of the air you want to heat - 64 m3
The thermal conductance of the oven -
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The ambient temperature 40+273K

I will appreciate your further guidance.
Thank you.
 
Adding in the specific mass of air ≈ 1kg/m3 gives you 64kg air to heat. Ignoring thermal leakage, this gives 64⋅1.026 kJ/°K from ambient So if you want the oven to reach 200°C, you will need 64⋅1.026⋅160 kJ = 10 506,24 kJ.

Thermal conductance: You have calculated a specific thermal conductance, but we need the inner surface of the oven to get ahead. The thermal conductance for the oven is given in W/°K and you would usually measure it by heating the oven to a given temperature and then turning off the power and measuring the temperature in the oven vs. time.

If your thermal conductance is 1W/°K and you want to keep the oven at 200°C (160°C over ambient), you need to supply 1W/°K⋅160°K = 160W.
 
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The heat capacity of the oven might be needed as well as it's thermal conductance.
 
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Svein said:
Adding in the specific mass of air ≈ 1kg/m3 gives you 64kg air to heat. Ignoring thermal leakage, this gives 64⋅1.026 kJ/°K from ambient So if you want the oven to reach 200°C, you will need 64⋅1.026⋅160 kJ = 10 506,24 kJ.

Thermal conductance: You have calculated a specific thermal conductance, but we need the inner surface of the oven to get ahead. The thermal conductance for the oven is given in W/°K and you would usually measure it by heating the oven to a given temperature and then turning off the power and measuring the temperature in the oven vs. time.

If your thermal conductance is 1W/°K and you want to keep the oven at 200°C (160°C over ambient), you need to supply 1W/°K⋅160°K = 160W.

Thank's a lot!
I got the idea, I think I can manage from this point.
 

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