Energy in a Circuit: Find Power & Total Delivered Energy

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of power and energy delivered to a circuit element over time, specifically from 0 to 1 ms. Participants are exploring the relationships between voltage, current, power, and energy in the context of an ideal circuit element.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates power at t = 1 ms using the provided voltage and current equations, arriving at a result of 3.1 W.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to multiply the variable voltage and current to find power and suggests integrating this product to find energy.
  • Several participants express confusion over obtaining a negative result when calculating energy, questioning the correctness of their approach.
  • It is noted that both voltage and current start at zero and become positive, leading to the assertion that their product should not be negative.
  • Participants request further clarification and detailed explanations to identify where errors may have occurred in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct approach to the calculations, as participants express differing levels of understanding and confusion regarding the integration process and the signs of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in the integration or the assumptions regarding the behavior of voltage and current over the specified time interval.

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Homework Statement



2. The voltage and current at the terminals of the circuit element in Fig. 1 are zero for t<0. For t>0 they are

V= e^(-500*t)-e^(-1500*t) V
i= 30-40e^(-500*t)+10e^(-1500*t) mA

a) Find the power at t = 1 ms.
b) How much energy is delivered to the circuit element between 0 and 1 ms?
c) Find the total energy delivered to the element.

Figure 1. An ideal basic circuit element



Homework Equations



P=V*i
W=integral (P dt)

The Attempt at a Solution



i solved part a by simple substituting the time in both V and i equations then i multipled them giving me a result of 3.1 W, in the second part i used the integral where i substitued the answer i got in the previous part and set the integral to be from 0 to 1 ms but it turns to be wrong !

need your help tanx in advance
 
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mba444 said:

Homework Statement



2. The voltage and current at the terminals of the circuit element in Fig. 1 are zero for t<0. For t>0 they are

V= e^(-500*t)-e^(-1500*t) V
i= 30-40e^(-500*t)+10e^(-1500*t) mA

a) Find the power at t = 1 ms.
b) How much energy is delivered to the circuit element between 0 and 1 ms?
c) Find the total energy delivered to the element.

Figure 1. An ideal basic circuit element



Homework Equations



P=V*i
W=integral (P dt)

The Attempt at a Solution



i solved part a by simple substituting the time in both V and i equations then i multipled them giving me a result of 3.1 W, in the second part i used the integral where i substitued the answer i got in the previous part and set the integral to be from 0 to 1 ms but it turns to be wrong !

need your help tanx in advance

Voltage and current are variable and so is their product, the power. You must perform the multiplication and integrate it.
 
i did so as you said but i got a negative wrong answer

can you explain more in depth
 
mba444 said:
i did so as you said but i got a negative wrong answer

can you explain more in depth

If you show your work, somebody can help figure out where things went wrong.
 
mba444 said:
i did so as you said but i got a negative wrong answer

can you explain more in depth

Both voltage and current start with the value 0 at t=0 and them they become positive. The current rises monotonically to 40 and after some time (well after 1 ms) the voltage starts to decay to zero, but still positive.
It is not possible that their product can be negative.
 

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