Energy momentum of linearized gravity.

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The discussion revolves around the energy-momentum of linearized gravity, specifically focusing on the weak field limit equations in General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the derivation of field equations, the interpretation of stress-energy tensors in this context, and the implications of perturbative approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents field equations derived from the weak field limit and seeks assistance in interpreting the resulting terms as a stress-energy tensor.
  • Another participant questions the initial presentation of the equations, noting the absence of equal signs.
  • A participant later claims to have identified an appropriate Lagrangian that includes cubic terms necessary for obtaining quadratic field equations.
  • Some participants argue that there is typically no stress-energy tensor for the gravitational field in vacuum, as the right-hand side of the Einstein field equations is expressed in terms of non-gravitational fields, leading to T=0 in vacuum.
  • Others suggest that in the linearized regime, second-order perturbations can behave like an effective stress-energy tensor, although this comes with the caveat of gauge invariance issues.
  • A reference to Wald's text is made for further discussion on the topic, indicating that higher-order terms may not be necessary for certain results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and interpretation of a stress-energy tensor for gravitational fields, particularly in the context of linearized gravity and vacuum conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate treatment of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about gauge invariance and the dependence on specific definitions of stress-energy tensors in the context of linearized gravity.

IRobot
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Hi,

I am doing a problem of GR dealing with weak field limit equations. After decoupling the static and dynamical part the usual way ([itex]g^{ab}=\eta^{ab}-h^{ab}[/itex]) I arrived at those field equations:

[itex] \frac12 \eta^{ab}\partial_a \partial_b h_{\mu\nu} - \frac12 h^{ab}(\partial_a\partial_b h_{\mu\nu} -\partial_a \partial_{\nu} h_{\mu b} - \partial_{\mu}\partial_b h_{a\nu} + \partial_{\nu}\partial_{\mu}h_{ab}) -\frac14 (\partial_a h_{b\nu} +\partial_{\nu}h_{ab} -\partial_b h_{a\nu})(\partial_{\mu}h^{ab} + \partial^a h^{b}_{\mu} - \partial^bh_{\mu}^a) + \mathcal{O}(h^3) = 0[/itex]

The first term being the operator on the field, the rest should be the source (stress energy tensor of the spin-2 field because we are in vaccum) but I can't derive this stress energy from the naive Lagrangian [itex]\cal{L} = \frac14 (\partial^ah_{\mu\nu})^2[/itex]. Plus one question is: "What are the conditions to interpret that as a stress-energy tensor?"

Some help/tips will be more than welcomed.
 
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You say "equations" but there are no equal signs...
 
Yeah, fixed it. By the way, I think I "found my Lagrangian", [itex]\cal{L}=\frac14 g^{ab}\partial_a h_{\mu\nu} \partial_b h^{\mu\nu}[/itex]. I should have seen from beginning that I needed terms cubic in the Lagrangian to get quadratic in the field equations.
 
IRobot said:
... the rest should be the source (stress energy tensor of the spin-2 field because we are in vaccum) ...

Usually there is no stress-energy-tensor for the gravitational field; the r.h.s. of the Einstein field equations is T expressed in terms of non-gravitational fields; in vacuum you have T=0. The weak field limit for gravitational waves in vacuum is nothing else but an approximation for the vacuum Einstein equations with T=0.
 
tom.stoer said:
Usually there is no stress-energy-tensor for the gravitational field; the r.h.s. of the Einstein field equations is T expressed in terms of non-gravitational fields; in vacuum you have T=0. The weak field limit for gravitational waves in vacuum is nothing else but an approximation for the vacuum Einstein equations with T=0.

You are right; however, in the linearized regime, the second order perturbations in the metric can "act like" an effective stress-energy tensor, but with some caveats. The stress energy tensor constructed from the second order perturbations are not gauge invariant.

To get this result, you don't need to go quartic or cubic in the field equations. I refer to Wald pg. 84 to 86 for a more detailed discussion.
 

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