Energy of a Forced, Damped Oscilator

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The discussion revolves around a forced damped oscillator characterized by a mass ##m## and a displacement described by the equation ##x=Asin(\omega t)##. The resistive force acting on the system is given as ##-bv##. Participants are tasked with sketching the graphs of potential energy, kinetic energy, and total energy over a cycle, particularly when the driving frequency ##\omega## is less than the natural frequency ##\omega_{0}##.

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  • Participants discuss the definitions and expressions for kinetic and potential energy, with some expressing confusion regarding the total energy and the impact of damping. There are attempts to derive expressions for energy lost due to damping and the work done by the applied force. Questions arise about the relationship between energy input and energy loss in a steady state.

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Several participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the derivation of energy expressions and the implications of damping. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between energy input and loss, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to sketch the energy graphs.

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Participants note potential issues with units in energy expressions and the significance of the driving frequency being less than the natural frequency. There is also acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by damping forces and the need for clarity in energy calculations.

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Homework Statement


A forced damped oscilator of mass ##m## has a displacement varying with time of ##x=Asin(\omega t) ## The restive force is ## -bv##. For a driving frequency ##\omega## that is less than the natural frequency ## \omega_{0}##, sketch graphs of potential energy, kinetic energy and total energy of the oscillator over the cycle.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


From the equation given, and the definitions of kinetic and potential energy for an oscillator:
(1) Kinetic Energy:
$$ E_{K}=\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^{2} = \frac{1}{2}mA^{2}\omega^{2}cos(\omega t) $$

(2) Potential Energy,
$$ E_{P}=\frac{1}{2}kx^{2}=\frac{1}{2}mA^{2}sin^{2}(\omega t) $$

These are simple and easy to plot. My issue comes when thinking about the total energy:

(3) Total Energy:
$$ E_{T}= E_{K}+E_{P} +E_{D} $$
##E_{D} ## is the energy lost due to the damping force, ##F_{D}##, where ##F_{D}=-b\dot{x}##.

At some time ##t##, then :

$$ E_{D} = \int_{0}^{x(t)} F_{D} \ dx = \int^_{0}^{x(t)} \omega \sqrt{1-x^{2}} \ dx $$
This can be evaluated by making the substitution ##x=sin(u) \implies dx=cos(u) du ##.
So:
$$ E_{D} = \int_{0}^{sin(x(t))} \omega cos^{2}u \ du = \bigg|_{0}^{sin(x(t)} \frac{sin(2u)}{4} +\frac{u}{2} $$

So:

$$E_{T}=\frac{1}{2}mA^{2}\bigg(sin^{2}(\omega t)+\omega^{2}cos(\omega t)\bigg)-bAsin(\omega t) $$

Is this the right approach though? The reason I am confused is that there will be points in the motion where the damping force will do work with the system - whereas it should be at all times against it?

Thanks!
 
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bananabandana said:

Homework Statement


A forced damped oscilator of mass ##m## has a displacement varying with time of ##x=Asin(\omega t) ## The restive force is ## -bv##. For a driving frequency ##\omega## that is less than the natural frequency ## \omega_{0}##, sketch graphs of potential energy, kinetic energy and total energy of the oscillator over the cycle.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


From the equation given, and the definitions of kinetic and potential energy for an oscillator:
(1) Kinetic Energy:
$$ E_{K}=\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^{2} = \frac{1}{2}mA^{2}\omega^{2}cos(\omega t) $$

(2) Potential Energy,
$$ E_{P}=\frac{1}{2}kx^{2}=\frac{1}{2}mA^{2}sin^{2}(\omega t) $$

These are simple and easy to plot. My issue comes when thinking about the total energy:

(3) Total Energy:
$$ E_{T}= E_{K}+E_{P} +E_{D} $$
##E_{D} ## is the energy lost due to the damping force, ##F_{D}##, where ##F_{D}=-b\dot{x}##.

At some time ##t##, then :

$$ E_{D} = \int_{0}^{x(t)} F_{D} \ dx =-b \int_{0}^{x(t)} \omega \sqrt{1-x^{2}} \ dx $$
This can be evaluated by making the substitution ##x=sin(u) \implies dx=cos(u) du ##.
So:
$$ E_{D} = \int_{0}^{sin^{-1}(x(t))} \omega cos^{2}u \ du = \bigg|_{0}^{sin^{-1}(x(t))} \frac{sin(2u)}{4} +\frac{u}{2} $$

So:

$$E_{T}=\frac{1}{2}mA^{2}\bigg(sin^{2}(\omega t)+\omega^{2}cos(\omega t)\bigg)-b\frac{sin\big[2sin^{-1}(Asin(\omega t)\big]+2sin^{-1}\big[Asin(\omega t\big]}{4} $$

But this doesn't seem right - there must be a simpler approach!
Could someone please help?
Thanks!

Thanks!
 
The units don't work out in your expression for potential energy. Also, don't you also need to take into account the work done by the applied force? It's continually adding energy to the system as the frictional force dissipates it.
 
Ah, I think I understand better now - can we say that if it's in a steady state that the loss of energy due to friction is equal to the energy which is input into the system by the driver?

In that case, we just get back to the total energy being ## \frac{1}{2}m\omega^{2}A^{2} ##. ?

By the way, can you tell me what the significance of ## \omega ## being less than ## \omega_{0} ## is here? I don't really understand why it matters. Thanks!
 
On average, it's true that the energy input is equal to the energy lost, but the total energy varies with time. I think the problem is asking you to calculate the energy as a function of time.
 
Oh, oops .The expression for the potential energy is rubbish. Sorry. It should be:

$$ E_{U} = \frac{1}{2}kA^{2}sin^{2}\omega t =\frac{1}{2}m\omega_{0}^{2}A^{2}sin^{2}\omega t $$

After that, I went through it again:

I get that the kinetic energy plus the potential energy: ## E_{K}+E_{U} ## is:
$$ E_{K}+E_{U}= \frac{1}{2}mA^{2}(\omega^{2}sin^{2}\omega t+\omega_{0}^{2}cos^{2}\omega t) =\frac{1}{2}A^{2}m[\omega^{2}+(\omega_{0}^{2}-\omega^{2})cos^{2}\omega t)]$$

Using the argument that ## P=F\dot{x} ##, I then say that the net energy due to the driving force ##F## and the damping force ##F_{D}## is:
$$ E_{N} = \int_{0}^{t} F_{D}\dot{x} - F\dot{x} \ \text{dt'} \ $$
We know that ##F ## is going to be of the form:
$$ F=F_{0}sin(\omega t)$$
##F_{D}## is given by ##F_{D}=-b\dot{x}=-b\omega A cos\omega t \implies F_{D}\dot{x} = -b \omega^{2}A^{2}cos^{2}\omega t ## So:
$$ E_{N} = \int_{0}^{t} -b\omega^{2}A^{2}\bigg(\frac{cos2\omega t' +1}{2} \bigg) + \omega F_{0}cos2\omega t' \ \text{dt'} $$
$$ \ \therefore E_{N}= \frac{-b\omega^{2}A^{2}}{2}t+\frac{sin(2\omega t)\omega}{2}\bigg(\frac{F_{0}-b\omega A^{2}}{2} \bigg) $$

So I suppose the total energy ##E_{T} ## is then :

$$ E_{T}=E_{N}+E_{K}+E_{U} =\frac{-b\omega^{2}A^{2}}{2}t+\frac{sin(2\omega t)\omega}{2}\bigg(\frac{F_{0}-b\omega A^{2}}{2} \bigg)+\frac{1}{2}A^{2}m[\omega^{2}+(\omega_{0}^{2}-\omega^{2})cos^{2}\omega t)] $$

But this expression seems very unhelpful in terms of sketching the graph - what should I do? :P
 
There's a phase shift between the forcing term F and the displacement x.
 

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