Energy probabilities of the harmonic oscillator

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The problem involves a particle in a harmonic oscillator potential, specifically analyzing the initial wave function and its implications for energy measurements. Participants are tasked with finding normalization constants, probabilities for specific energy states, and the behavior of these probabilities as a function of a parameter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss normalization of the wave function and the use of the time-independent Schrödinger equation. There are attempts to apply Fourier's trick to find coefficients for energy states, with some questioning the necessity of integrating certain functions. The role of symmetry in determining probabilities for odd and even states is also explored.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in determining the normalization constant and have derived expressions for probabilities. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these probabilities, particularly regarding odd energy states and their vanishing probabilities due to symmetry. Multiple interpretations of the results are being considered, and hints have been provided to guide further reasoning.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the methods they can use. There is an emphasis on deriving results without directly solving the Schrödinger equation, which shapes the discussion and reasoning processes.

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Homework Statement



A particl of mass m in the potential V(x) (1/2)*mω^{2}x^{2} has the initial wave function ψ(x,0) = Ae^{-αε^2}.

a) Find out A.
b) Determine the probability that E_{0} = hω/2 turns up, when a measuremen of energy is performed. Same for E_{1} = 3hω/2
c) What energy values might turn up in an energy measurement?
d) Sketch the probability to measure hω/2 as a function of α and explain the maximum

Homework Equations



ψ_{n} = (mω/πh)^{1/4}*[1/√(2^{n}*n!)]H_{n}(ε)e^{-(ε^2)/2}

H(0) =1, H(1) = 2ε, H(2) = 4ε^{2} - 2

ε = √(mω/h)*x

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I have done the normalization and have got A = (2αmω/∏h)^{1/2} but can't think my way through part b yet. My understanding so far is that you find ψ(x,t) and consider the fact that E_{n} = (n+1/2)hω but that case was for when you was just a linear combination of wave functions and A is a numerical fraction. Are you suppose to use the ψ_{n}(x,0) formula to find the wave function at different excited states and find the probability based off the given H values? I still don't see how you would get a probability though since if I were to apply the c_{n} terms, they would still have one of the parameters from a normalization.
 
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Hey xicor. Try using the time independent Schrödinger equation to find the eigenvalue of ψ(x,0).
 
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Further hints I was given to the problem suggested I don't need to solve the Schrödinger equation and instead the problem wanted me to get the probability values of C_{n} from the Fourier's trick which states C_{n} = ∫ψ_{n}(x)f(x)dx where in this case f(x) = ψ(x, 0). From this I was able to find the probability function for the ground state that with respect to α. The equation I got was 2(2σ)_{1/2}/(2α+1) which I had confirmed as being correct. However for the energy state E_{1} = 3hω/2 I'm still trying to figure out what the correct solution is. If I plug ψ_{1}(x) into equation from the Fourier's trick, I get an integral of the form C∫xe^{Dx^2} where a hint suggested you don't actually have to integrate and I interpreted this so far as saying you can consider the case of the derivative (d/dx)e^{Dx^2} = Dxe^{Dx^2} so the integral in form C∫xe^{Dx^2} = (C/D)*e^{Dx^2} where the direct integration will produce two values that are the same when squared and cancel out, therefore the direct integral is zero which applies to the case of C_{1}.

Therefore I got C_{1} = 0 but I'm not sure how you would reason what would happen with higher energy probabilities. I was already told that there will be other energy states with energies probabilities that are greater then zero. Is it the case that the probability is 0 for odd energy states because of symmetries in the probability distributions? Also, it appears that for higher energy states, there would be a higher power of α in the dominator meaning that the probability will be smaller in that case then for the ground state.

I was also able to graph the ground state C_{0}(α) which had C_{0}(0) = 0 and increased until C_{0}(1/2) = 1 and then started dropping to 0 afterwards. I'm still not certain what the maximum C_{0}(1/2) = 1 means though, is this some special case in the harmonic oscillator?
 
xicor said:
Further hints I was given to the problem suggested I don't need to solve the Schrödinger equation and instead the problem wanted me to get the probability values of C_{n} from the Fourier's trick which states C_{n} = ∫ψ_{n}(x)f(x)dx where in this case f(x) = ψ(x, 0). From this I was able to find the probability function for the ground state that with respect to α. The equation I got was 2(2σ)_{1/2}/(2α+1) which I had confirmed as being correct. However for the energy state E_{1} = 3hω/2 I'm still trying to figure out what the correct solution is. If I plug ψ_{1}(x) into equation from the Fourier's trick, I get an integral of the form C∫xe^{Dx^2} where a hint suggested you don't actually have to integrate and I interpreted this so far as saying you can consider the case of the derivative (d/dx)e^{Dx^2} = Dxe^{Dx^2} so the integral in form C∫xe^{Dx^2} = (C/D)*e^{Dx^2} where the direct integration will produce two values that are the same when squared and cancel out, therefore the direct integral is zero which applies to the case of C_{1}.

Therefore I got C_{1} = 0 but I'm not sure how you would reason what would happen with higher energy probabilities. I was already told that there will be other energy states with energies probabilities that are greater then zero. Is it the case that the probability is 0 for odd energy states because of symmetries in the probability distributions? Also, it appears that for higher energy states, there would be a higher power of α in the dominator meaning that the probability will be smaller in that case then for the ground state.
You have the basic idea. Your integral for C1 vanishes because you're integrating an odd function of x over a symmetric interval. Looking at the evenness and oddness of the Hermite polynomials, you should be able to convince yourself that the probability of finding the system in an n=odd state is zero.

I was also able to graph the ground state C_{0}(α) which had C_{0}(0) = 0 and increased until C_{0}(1/2) = 1 and then started dropping to 0 afterwards. I'm still not certain what the maximum C_{0}(1/2) = 1 means though, is this some special case in the harmonic oscillator?
You can express the state of the system as a linear combination of the eigenstates, so
$$\psi(x) = c_0\psi_0(x) + c_1\psi_1(x) + \cdots + c_n\psi_n(x) + \cdots$$ where ##|c_n|^2## is equal to the probability of finding the system in the state ##\psi_n##. If ##c_0=1##, what does that tell you about the other c's?
 

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