Energy splitting in hyperfine structure

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to hyperfine structure in atomic physics, specifically focusing on energy levels and their associated quantum numbers. The original poster is attempting to determine the value of the nuclear spin quantum number \( I \) based on given energy levels and their spacings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate energy level differences to quantum numbers using ratios, but expresses confusion about the application of a similar example. Other participants suggest finding patterns in the ratios of energy differences to derive values for \( F_0 \).

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the validity of their approaches and the assumptions made regarding the ratios of energy levels. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the method used in the example, and some participants are exploring different interpretations of the energy ratios.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a potential error in the units used (MeV vs. MHz) and a concern about the appropriateness of the energy values in the context of hyperfine structure. The original poster is also grappling with how to correctly apply the interval rule to their specific problem.

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Homework Statement


I've been given the worked answer to a very similar question, but there's a step I don't understand so I can't apply it. My question asks:
An energy level with ##J=\frac{11}{2}## has six hyperfine sub-levels with these relative energies:
0, 2.51, 4.71, 6.59, 8.16, 9.41 (GHz)
What is the value of I? Show the spacing obeys the interval rule and determine the value of F for each sub-level.

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The Attempt at a Solution


So based on this example question I have, start from the fact that ##F = |I-J|...(I+J)##, integer steps, and label the lowest sub-level as ##F_0 = |I-\frac{11}{2}|##. That means I have energy levels from ##F_0## to ##F_0 +5##. Then I can make a table:
##
\begin{array}{|c|c|}
\hline
F & \Delta E_F -\Delta E_{F-1}\\ \hline
F_0 +5 & 1.25 \\ \hline
F_0 + 4 & 1.57 \\ \hline
F_0 + 3 & 1.88 \\ \hline
F_0 + 2 & 2.2 \\ \hline
F_0 + 1 & 2.51 \\ \hline
\end{array}##
Found by referring back to the listed energy levels, so ##F_0 + 5 = 9.41 - 8.16## and so on. Then take ratios of energy splittings, and here's what I don't understand. From
##\frac{F_0+5}{F_0 + 4} = \frac{1.25}{1.57}##, a value for ##F_0 +5## is deduced.

In the example it states
##\frac{F_0 +2}{F_0 +1} = \frac{202}{151}## therefore ##F_0+1 = 3##. How did they work that out? They have ##F_0 = |I - \frac{3}{2}|## and the energy level ##F_0## is at ##151##MeV. Don't understand that step. Thanks for any help!
 
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Kara386 said:
In the example it states
##\frac{F_0 +2}{F_0 +1} = \frac{202}{151}## therefore ##F_0+1 = 3##. How did they work that out?
By finding a small fraction that fits, in this case ##\frac{202}{151} \approx \frac 4 3##. You can find a similar fraction if you divide 1.57 by 1.25, and note a pattern if you continue with 1.88/1.57 and so on.

151 MeV is way too large for the hyperfine structure.
 
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mfb said:
By finding a small fraction that fits, in this case ##\frac{202}{151} \approx \frac 4 3##. You can find a similar fraction if you divide 1.57 by 1.25, and note a pattern if you continue with 1.88/1.57 and so on.

151 MeV is way too large for the hyperfine structure.
Apologies, I meant MHz! 151MeV would be pretty huge. I don't think I can edit it anymore.
 
mfb said:
By finding a small fraction that fits, in this case ##\frac{202}{151} \approx \frac 4 3##. You can find a similar fraction if you divide 1.57 by 1.25, and note a pattern if you continue with 1.88/1.57 and so on.

151 MeV is way too large for the hyperfine structure.
Well for my question ##\frac{F_0+5}{F_0+4} = \frac{1.25}{1.57} \approx 0.796 \approx \frac{4}{5}## which gives ##F_0 = -1## or ##1##, so I think I'm doing something wrong. And looking at the next fraction,
##\frac{F_0+4}{F_0+3} = \frac{1.57}{1.88} \approx \frac{5}{6}## again gives two different answers for ##F_0## of 1 and 2. What am I doing wrong? Are the fractions I've approximated to incorrect?
 
It has been a long time since I last worked with hyperfine structures, but the series of fractions is so clear that it must be the right approach.
 

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