Energy Transfer Mechanism in Helium Neon Gas Laser

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The discussion focuses on the energy transfer mechanism in a Helium Neon gas laser, specifically how energy is transferred from excited helium atoms to neon atoms during collisions. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of this process, including quantum mechanics and the role of virtual photons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how energy is transferred from excited helium atoms to neon atoms, noting that the emitted photon from helium cannot be absorbed by neon due to energy level differences.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of virtual photons, explaining that the energy transferred does not need to be exactly 20.61 eV due to the time-energy uncertainty relation and Doppler effects caused by relative velocities of the atoms.
  • A later reply clarifies that the helium atom cannot decay to the ground state via photon emission due to quantum mechanical restrictions, and that energy transfer occurs through electron-electron interactions described by quantum electrodynamics.
  • The same participant uses an analogy involving relative velocities to explain how the energy impact varies among gas particles, emphasizing the need for precise energy levels for transitions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the energy transfer mechanism, with some agreeing on the role of virtual photons and quantum mechanics, while others seek simpler explanations. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of a definitive understanding of the mechanism.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the energy transfer process, including the dependence on quantum mechanical principles and the effects of relative velocities, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the physics of lasers, quantum mechanics, and energy transfer processes in gases.

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I need help to understand the energy transfer mechanism in Helium Neon Gas laser. When helium atom is excited and staying in its metastable state, it is said to have collision with neon atom and thus transfers its 20.61eV energy plus some of its kinetic energy 0.05eV to enable neon atom to reach its metastabel state of 20.66eV. I can't understand this mechanism. To my understanding , as the helium atom decays it must release a photon of 20.61eV. This photon can't be absorbed by neon atom as it does not have such an energy level. So how is this energy transferred? Pl help.
 
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When you really want to describe this process as a photon transfer process, you have to take in mind that the photon exchanged is not a real photon but a virtual photon. As this photon exists only for a very short time, due to time energy uncertainty relation, it's energy needs not to be exactly 20.61 eV. Another point is that even if a helium atom would emit a real photon of 20.61 eV, if the neon atom moves at a relative speed to the helium atom, it will see a Doppler shifted frequency corresponding to a different energy. This energy may well be 20.66 eV.
 
Thanks for the reply> This explanation is still beyond my understanding. Pl try some simplistic view.
 
Zahid Iftikhar said:
I need help to understand the energy transfer mechanism in Helium Neon Gas laser. When helium atom is excited and staying in its metastable state, it is said to have collision with neon atom and thus transfers its 20.61eV energy plus some of its kinetic energy 0.05eV to enable neon atom to reach its metastabel state of 20.66eV. I can't understand this mechanism. To my understanding , as the helium atom decays it must release a photon of 20.61eV. This photon can't be absorbed by neon atom as it does not have such an energy level. So how is this energy transferred? Pl help.

The helium atom can't decay to ground state by way of photon emission because the transition is forbidden quantum mechanically. Helium's 1s2s excited state has an energy level that is very similar to neon's 1s22p55s state, and so it can transfer this energy through collisions with neon and return to ground state. The interaction has to be electron-electron and so it is described by quantum electrodynamics where electrons exchange energy in the form of virtual photons.

What DrDu was describing is how the relative energies between the atoms vary due to their relative velocities. In a HeNe gas laser (and any system of gas in general), there is a large distribution of velocities for the gas particles. Think of the difference between a small rock hitting the windshield of your car when you're stationary versus when you're driving at highway speeds. There is a corresponding energy of the impact based on how fast you're moving and how fast the rock is moving. In quantum mechanics the energy to make the kind of transition mentioned above has to be exactly that energy, so you'll some rocks hitting too soft, some too hard, and hopefully most hitting just right to get more neon in the excited state than the ground state. I hope this makes sense for you, I tried including some keywords so that you can search further on your own if necessary.

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Thank you very much DrDu and Marisa5 for your kind reply. It has solved my problem.
Kind regards. Best wishes for PF for being so helpful and supportive.
 
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