Engine thermal efficiency and Volume ratios

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The discussion revolves around the thermal efficiency of a cyclic process involving a perfect gas, specifically examining the relationships between volume ratios and the ratio of specific heats. Participants explore the derivation of an expression for thermal efficiency based on given processes: cooling at constant pressure, heating at constant volume, and adiabatic expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an expression for thermal efficiency as η = 1 - γ(r-1)/(rγ-1) and attempts to derive it through various thermodynamic relationships.
  • Another participant suggests applying the adiabatic condition from state 3 to 1, indicating that there is no heat transfer during this process.
  • Concerns are raised about the relationship between pressures P1 and P2 in terms of volumes V1 and V2, emphasizing the importance of the adiabatic condition PVγ = K.
  • Some participants note that the ratios can be expressed with n=γ, but there is disagreement regarding the numerator in the thermal efficiency expression, with one participant expecting r-1 instead of 1-r.
  • There is a discussion about ensuring that the original equations reflect the absolute values of heat transfers, specifically addressing the cooling and heating processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation of the thermal efficiency expression, particularly regarding the treatment of heat transfers and the application of the adiabatic condition. No consensus is reached on the correct form of the thermal efficiency equation or the assumptions regarding n.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their assumptions, particularly regarding the treatment of heat transfers and the relationships between pressures and volumes. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions.

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The question:

A perfect gas undergoes the following cyclic processes:
State 1 to 2 cooling at constant pressure.
State 2 to 3 heating at constant volume.
State 3 to 1 adiabatic expansion.

Deduce an expression for the thermal efficiency of the cycle in terms
of r the volume compression ratio (r=V1/V2) and γ (where γ = ratio of specific heats Cp/Cv)

η = 1 - γ(r-1)/(rγ-1)

My attempt at the solution:
First I tried sketching the cycle

Bare with me as I present you the silly symbol art.

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3.
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|..|
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2<---------':.1 v

I'd like to work in specific terms

As it is a perfect gas
P1v1= RT1
P1v2= RT2
P2v2= RT3

Heats from 1->2, 2->3, 3->1
Q1->2=Cp(T2-T1)
Q2->3=Cv(T3-T2)
Q3->1 = 0 ; adiabatic.

Also, polytropic relations
v2/v1 = (P1/P2)1/n
as r = v1/v2⇔ r = (P2/P1)1/n
∴ rn = P2/P1 and
1/rn = P1/P2

Substituting Ideal Gas expressions in terms of Tn
Q1->2=Cp((P1v2-P1v1)/R)
Q2->3=Cv((P2v2-P1v2)/R)

Thermal efficiency
This is what I am unsure off. I begin assuming quite a few things. First I assume that heat in the cooling process is the equivalent of heat escaping to a cold reservoir; coincidentally, heat from the pressurization is the heat INPUT from the hot reservoir. As such:

η = [Q2->3 - Q1->2]/Q2->3

η = 1 - Q1->2/Q2->3

∴ η = 1 - Cp(P1v2-P1v1)/Cv(P2v2-P1v2)

η = 1 - γ((P1v2-P1v1)/(P2v2-P1v2))

From here:

P1v2/P2v2-P1v2 = P1/(P2-P1) = 1/rn-1

And
P1v1/P2v2-P1v2 = r/(rn-1)

My Result

η = γ(1-r)/(rn-1) =/= η = 1 - γ(r-1)/(rγ-1)

Can I assume n=γ in this situation? only 1 process is adiabatic.
 
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Apply the adiabatic condition from 3→1.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Apply the adiabatic condition from 3→1.

AM

Can you be more specific? Apply where?

If it's adiabatic there is no heat - I do not understand how the process can be related to thermal efficiency.
 
sandpants said:
Can you be more specific? Apply where?

If it's adiabatic there is no heat - I do not understand how the process can be related to thermal efficiency.
What you need is the relationship between P1 and P2 in terms of V1 and V2. That is determined by the adiabatic condition PVγ = K.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
What you need is the relationship between P1 and P2 in terms of V1 and V2. That is determined by the adiabatic condition PVγ = K.

AM

Indeed, the ratios match up and allow you to express them with n=γ. Thermodynamics is always like that - an answer under your nose at all times.

But another issue is that the numerator does not match up.
The expected form is r-1 when I get 1-r despite getting the same denominator.
 
sandpants said:
Indeed, the ratios match up and allow you to express them with n=γ. Thermodynamics is always like that - an answer under your nose at all times.

But another issue is that the numerator does not match up.
The expected form is r-1 when I get 1-r despite getting the same denominator.
You are using the absolute values of Qh and Qc so you have to make sure that the original equation reflects that. For example, Qc = |Cp(T2-T1)| = Cp(T1-T2)

AM
 

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