Enthelpy change - Using tables to find specific heat

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The discussion centers around calculating the change in enthalpy of argon when cooled from 100 to 25 °C, specifically questioning the use of specific heat values from a table that lists them at 300 K.

Discussion Character

  • Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the rationale behind using specific heat values at 300 K for a problem involving different temperatures, questioning the validity of this approach and discussing the implications of averaging specific heat values.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the appropriateness of using a specific heat value at a temperature that does not match the conditions of the problem. There is an exploration of the reasoning behind the textbook's approach and the practicality of using standardized values.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the limitations in the textbook's presentation of specific heat values, suggesting that it may not provide a comprehensive list for varying temperatures, which could impact the accuracy of the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the change in the enthalpy of argon, in KJ/kg, when it is cooled from 100 to 25 °C.

Homework Equations



[tex]\Delta h = c_{p} \Delta T[/tex]

Where [itex]\Delta h[/itex] is the change in enthalpy, [itex]c_{p}[/itex] is the specific heat, and [itex]\Delta T[/itex] is the change in temperature.

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\Delta h = c_{p,avg} \Delta T[/tex]

[tex]\Delta h_{argon} = c_{p,avg} \Delta T=\left (.5203\frac{kJ}{kg\cdot C} \right )\left (100 C-25C \right )=39.0\frac{kJ}{kg}[/tex]

My book has a table at the back that is labeled Ideal-gas specific heats of various common gases at 300 K. The answer given to this question uses the cp values listed in this table. This makes no sense to me as [itex]c_{p,avg}[/itex] would be (cp at T1 + cp at T2)/2.

How can the book use the values from a table where cp values are given for temperature at 300 K?
 
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How can the book use the values from a table where cp values are given for temperature at 300 K?

Are you asking why they would use the cp value for 300K for the solution? That'd be just cause they're lazy and don't actually expect you to know what the specific heat at 373K and at 298K is.

Or are you asking how they can generate a cp average value at 300K in the first place? They'd do that by conducting experiments to generate cp values at 300K and averaging those out.
 
Coushander said:
Are you asking why they would use the cp value for 300K for the solution? That'd be just cause they're lazy and don't actually expect you to know what the specific heat at 373K and at 298K is...

Yes, I'm asking why the solution to this problem is for cp at a temperature completely unrelated to the temperatures in the problem. Is it that the average of the temperatures (336K) can be reasonably approximated to be 300K with little error?
 
JJBladester said:
Yes, I'm asking why the solution to this problem is for cp at a temperature completely unrelated to the temperatures in the problem. Is it that the average of the temperatures (336K) can be reasonably approximated to be 300K with little error?

I'm assuming that it's a textbook. As I said, it's likely for the sake of convenience on the part of the publisher, because it wouldn't be realistic to publish a huge list of specific heats for every molecule at different temperatures. The list would be astronomical. It's easier and cheaper for them to standardize only one value for the molecule and then write their textbook questions in a range where that standard is reasonably applicable.
 

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