Entropy change of a reservoir after heating something up

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The problem involves calculating the change of entropy for a system consisting of a 1 kg mass of silver being heated by a large heat reservoir. The temperatures involved are 273 K for the silver and 373 K for the reservoir. The discussion centers around the entropy changes in the silver, the reservoir, and the universe as a whole.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the entropy change for the silver using the formula ΔS = ∫dQ/T and questions the entropy change for the reservoir, considering the implications of the second law of thermodynamics. Participants discuss the nature of the heat transfer and its effects on the entropy of both the silver and the reservoir.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into the calculations and the nature of reversible versus irreversible processes. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the entropy changes involved, and some participants suggest that the original poster has enough information to determine the entropy change of the reservoir.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the reservoir's temperature remaining constant during the heat transfer, which raises questions about the effective change in entropy. The discussion also highlights potential arithmetic errors in the calculations presented by participants.

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Homework Statement


1kg of silver is heated by a large heat reservoir at 373 K from 273K. Calculate the change of entropy in:
a) the silver
b) the reservoir
c) the universe.

Homework Equations



ΔS = ∫dQ/T

The Attempt at a Solution



calculating the change in the silver first

ΔS = ∫dQ/T
= C∫dT/T
= Cln(T2/T1)
= 0.312

This is fine, I understand it. Now I need to work out the entropy change in the large reservoir. Since the change happens spontaneously, it isn't reversible and the entropy of the universe increases. This means that I can't just take the negative of the change in the silver.

Since the temperature of the reservoir doesn't change, is there no effective change in the entropy? This obviously shouldn't be the case because it would violate the second law. I'd appreciate any insight that can be offered.
 
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The temperature of the reservoir doesn't change appreciably, but it does lose the same amount of heat that the silver absorbs. As far as the reservoir is concerned, because the heat transfer took place at constant temperature, it thinks it experienced a reversible change (actually, it really did experience a reversible change). On the other hand, the silver experienced an irreversible change (since there were substantial temperature gradients in the silver during the transient heating). The combined change in both the silver and the reservoir must be positive because of the irreversibility in the silver. So you have enough information now to determine the entropy change of the reservoir, and the overall entropy increase for the combination (i.e., the universe).

Chet
 
Great, thanks for your help. So doing the entropy integral for a fixed temperature, I get:

ΔS = ∫dQ/T = (1/T) * C(ΔTsilver) = (1/373)*C*100
= -61.66
This number is massive compared to the integral I did above for the silver with a varying temperature. Could you perhaps tell me which number is wrong and why?
 
You got the first part correct : 0.312C
But, it looks like you made an arithmetic error (or something) in the second part. I get -0.268C.

Chet
 
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