Entropy of a system water-reservoir

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The discussion revolves around the entropy changes associated with heating 1 kg of water from 0 degrees Celsius to 100 degrees Celsius when in contact with a heat reservoir. Participants are exploring the implications of entropy in thermodynamic systems, particularly in relation to heat transfer and the concept of entropy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the change in entropy for both the water and the heat reservoir, expressing confusion about how heating the water can occur without changing the total entropy of the system. Other participants suggest considering a sequence of heat reservoirs to facilitate this process, questioning the mechanics of such a setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of multiple heat baths to achieve a near-zero total entropy change, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the approach.

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The original poster is preparing for an exam and is working within the constraints of a homework problem that requires demonstrating entropy changes in a thermodynamic context. There is an emphasis on understanding the principles rather than arriving at a definitive solution.

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Hello,
I'm studying for my exam for tomorrow and we solved an exercise in class , but a question was not answered and I don't know how to solve it.

Homework Statement



1 Kg of water is heated at 0 degree C is brought into contact with a large heat reservoir at 100 degrees C. When the water has reached 100 degrees C, what has been the change in entropy of the water? And of the heat reservoir ? what has been the change in the entire system consisting of both water and the heat reservoir?

Show that we can heat water ( from 0°c to 100°C) without changing the entropy of the whole system.

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The Attempt at a Solution


For the first questions we have
ΔS(water)=4180*ln(373/273) J
ΔS(reservoir)=-418000/373 J

I don't get it how we can heat the water without changing the entropy ..? :confused:
 
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Suppose, rather than having just one hot reservoir, you had a sequence of hot reservoirs at temperatures running from 0 to 100 C. Could you figure out a way of transferring the heat so that the overall change in entropy of the 1 Kg of water plus all the reservoirs totaled zero?

Chet
 
Is it that we have to make a chain of heat baths ?
 
Dassinia said:
Is it that we have to make a chain of heat baths ?
Pretty much. You use at heat bath at 1C to raise the temperature from 0C to 1 C, you use a heat bath at 2 C to raise the temperature from 1C to 2C, etc. This will give a total entropy change for the water plus the reservoirs very close to zero. In the limit as the temperature increments get smaller, the total entropy change approaches zero.
 
Thank you !
 

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