Entropy Change of an Expanding Gas

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The discussion revolves around the entropy change of an ideal gas undergoing a reversible isothermal expansion. Participants are analyzing the relationship between heat transfer, work done, and entropy in the context of thermodynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of work done by the gas and its implications for heat transfer and entropy change. There is confusion regarding the sign of entropy change and the relevance of temperature in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using the ideal gas law and integrating to find work done. There is an ongoing debate about the sign of the entropy change, with differing interpretations of the relationship between heat and work in the context of the First Law of Thermodynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not provide pressure, which complicates the calculations. There is also a discussion about the assumptions made regarding the nature of the expansion and its effects on internal energy.

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Homework Statement


Two moles of an ideal gas undergo a reversible isothermal expansion from 3.34E-2 m^3 to 4.80E-2 m^3 at a temperature of 25.7C

What is the change in entropy (ΔS) of the gas?

Homework Equations



ΔS = Q/T

The Attempt at a Solution


first I think I need to calculate the work done by the gas.
and then Q = ΔEint - W
but I am confused.. because this formula requires pressure. and the pressure is not given.

pls.. help me..
thanks in advance..
 
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xinlan said:
Two moles of an ideal gas undergo a reversible isothermal expansion from 3.34E-2 m^3 to 4.80E-2 m^3 at a temperature of 25.7C

What is the change in entropy (delta_S) of the gas?

The thing to keep in mind here is that the expansion is isothermal, so there is no change in E_int; that means that Q = -W (W being the work done on the gas in this version of the First Law).

So you'll need to compute the work done on the gas in such an expansion. You need to integrate -P dV from V_initial to V_final to get W, then take the negative of that result to find Q. Since the gas will be at constant temperature, using the ideal gas law gives

P = nRT/V , with everything in the numerator being positive. So the integral should be pretty easy to do.

We want the change in entropy, though. Since the gas remains isothermal, we get to take a shortcut. We need to integrate

dS = dQ / T over the expansion.

Since in this situation, dQ = -dW = P dV = (nRT/V) dV , with T constant,
you can go directly to your entropy integral, with limits from V_initial to V_final. The statement of the problem gives you enough information to work out delta_S in J/K .
 
the delta_S should be in a negative value, right?
since Q = -W,
but when I type it, the feedback said that since the gas is expanding, the entropy will increase and it should be positive..

anyway..
thank you for your help.. :)
 
xinlan said:
the delta_S should be in a negative value, right?
since Q = -W,
but when I type it, the feedback said that since the gas is expanding, the entropy will increase and it should be positive..

...except that W is "work done on the gas" in the definition of the First Law that we're using. So W is negative in an expansion (work done by the gas is positive), making Q positive and thus delta_S as well.

(You should also have found that the temperature given in the problem is irrelevant.)
 

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